Histling-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 9

Thu Feb 12 03:50:08 UTC 2009

Re: reduplication

I have something for you.

Ratcliffe, Robert. 1996. "Drift and Noun Plural Reduplication in 
Afroasiatic." BSOAS LIX, part 2. pp. 297-311.

In all cases where we have documentation reduplication as a plural marker, 
at least, is a secondary development in Afroasiatic. I hypothesize from this 
that reduplication as a plural marker is also a secondary development in 
those languages for which we don't have documentation, and thus not 
reconstructable for Proto-Afroasiatic, and I explain how I think this has 
developed. Of course for the vast majority of these languages we don't have 
documentation.

R. Ratcliffe

Tokyo
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> Many creoles have reduplication (but almost no pidgins).
> If the lexifiers are the "parent languages", then creoles developed them, 
> because
> French, English, Dutch, Spanish, Portuguese, Arabic hardly have productive 
> reduplication.
> There is a book on the subject, you can order it from:
> http://www.battlebridge.com/
>
> Twice as Meaningful
> Reduplication in Pidgins, Creoles, and Other Contact Languages
> Edited by Silvia Kouwenberg, vi + 330 pages, map, index. ISBN 1 903292 02 
> 6. ?25 (Westminster Creolistics Series - 8)
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> Peter Bakker
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> It isn't hard to come up with examples of languages that have lost 
> reduplication, but wasn't the original question concerned with languages 
> _developing new_ reduplicating systems?
>
> The tense-aspect reduplications of Latin, Gothic, Greek etc. are surely of 
> Indo-European date, and so don't count as examples of newly developed 
> reduplication, the theme of the question. Nor do isolated examples like 
> English 'ping-pong', German 'beben'. Perhaps someone can give us examples 
> of creoles that have developed (re)duplication?
>
> I seem to remember somewhere someone making a distinction between 
> (partial) _reduplication_ like Latin tetigi, Indonesian sesuatu "some or 
> other" and (whole) _duplication_ like Indonesian barang-barang "different 
> kinds of things" (barang='thing'), orang-orang 'people'. There are many 
> subtypes, and a biiiig literature.
>
> Paul Hopper
> ---------
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>> Latin conjugations:  tango~tetegi; many Latin and Greek nouns and
>> adjectives
>>
>> ??????o? being the best known; some Koine Greek verbs
>>
>>
>>
>> Scott Catledge
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>> Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems
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>> I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have
>> developed
>>
>> a reduplication system when the parent language didn't have a
>> reduplication
>>
>> system.  I've seen examples of languages which have lost reduplication
>> (and
>>
>> of course languages which have retained a reduplication system) but I
>> have
>>
>> not been able to find any examples of a reduplication system which
>> developed
>>
>> on its own.  If anyone could let me know of any references or examples, I
>>
>>
>> would gladly post a follow-up with the information.  Thank you.
>>
>>
>>
>> John Kyle
>>
>> jhobartkyle at gmail.com
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>> From: "Paolo Ramat" <paoram at unipv.it>
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>> Subject: Re: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems
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>> To: "John Kyle" <jhobartkyle at gmail.com>,  <Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu>
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>> Dear John,
>>
>> what exactly do you mean by "reduplication system"? I'm aware of many
>> languages having reduplication in their paradigms (e.g. the perfect tense
>> in Classical Greek --
>>
>> which later went lost in Byzantine and Modern Greek). But can we consider
>>  Greek as a reduplication system language?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Prof. Paolo Ramat
>>
>> Istituto Universitario di Studi Superiori (IUSS)
>>
>> Responsabile della classe di Scienze Umane
>>
>> V.le Lungo Ticino Sforza 56, 27100 Pavia ? Italia
>>
>> Tel. +39 0382 375811 Fax +39 0382 375899
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: John Kyle
>>
>> To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu
>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:17 PM
>>
>> Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have
>> developed a reduplication system when the parent language didn't have a
>> reduplication system.  I've seen examples of languages which have lost
>> reduplication (and of course languages which have retained a
>> reduplication system) but I have not been able to find any examples of a
>> reduplication system which developed on its own.  If anyone could let me
>> know of any references or examples, I would gladly post a follow-up with
>> the information.  Thank you.
>>
>>
>>
>> John Kyle
>>
>> jhobartkyle at gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>> From: Jeff Roesler Stebbins <Jeff.Stebbins at Colorado.EDU>
>>
>> Subject: [Histling-l]  development of reduplication systems
>>
>> To: Paolo Ramat <paoram at unipv.it>, John Kyle <jhobartkyle at gmail.com>,
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>> Go to Google Scholar and type "Vietnamese reduplication"--you'll see a
>> lot about
>>
>> reduplication in VNese and several related languages.  We Westerners
>> might be prone to
>>
>> focus upon the consonants, but (as you can read in some of those papers)
>> VN's
>>
>> reduplication system also interacts a lot with its tonal system, which
>> has developed (and
>>
>> is still developing) independently of neighboring Sino-Tibetan and
>> Tai-Kadai tonal
>>
>> languages.
>>
>> Jeff Stebbins
>>
>> Univ. Colorado, Linguistics
>>
>> 719-660-6280
>>
>> - - - -
>>
>>
>>
>> "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep
>>
>> to gain what he cannot lose." (Elliot)
>>
>>
>>
>> ---- Original message ----
>>
>>
>>
>> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:05:30 +0100
>>
>> From: "Paolo Ramat" <paoram at unipv.it>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems
>>
>> To: "John Kyle" <jhobartkyle at gmail.com>,<Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu>
>>
>>
>>
>> ?
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear John,
>>
>> what exactly do you mean by "reduplication system"?
>>
>> I'm aware of many languages having reduplication in their paradigms (e.g.
>>  the
>>
>> perfect tense in Classical Greek --
>>
>> which later went lost in Byzantine and Modern
>>
>> Greek). But can we consider Greek as a reduplication system
>>
>> language?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Prof. Paolo Ramat
>>
>> Istituto Universitario di Studi Superiori
>>
>> (IUSS)
>>
>> Responsabile della classe di Scienze Umane
>>
>> V.le Lungo Ticino Sforza
>>
>> 56, 27100 Pavia ? Italia
>>
>> Tel. +39 0382 375811 Fax +39 0382 375899
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From:
>>
>> John
>>
>> Kyle
>>
>> To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu
>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:17
>>
>> PM
>>
>> Subject: [Histling-l] development of
>>
>> reduplication systems
>>
>> I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have
>>
>> developed a reduplication system when the parent language didn't have a
>>
>> reduplication system.  I've seen examples of languages which have lost
>>
>> reduplication (and of course languages which have retained a 
>> reduplication
>>
>>
>> system) but I have not been able to find any examples of a reduplication
>>
>> system which developed on its own.  If anyone could let me know of any
>>
>> references or examples, I would gladly post a follow-up with the
>>
>> information.  Thank you.
>>
>>
>>
>> John Kyle
>>
>> jhobartkyle at gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 08:22:49 +0900
> From: Mark Irwin <mark_irwin at mac.com>
> Subject: Re: [Histling-l] Reduplication Histling-l Digest, Vol 25,
> Issue 7
> To: histling-l at mailman.rice.edu
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> If isolates count (since they have no parents who may have had
> reduplication), then Japanese. Although not everyone will consider it
> an isolate.
>
> < I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have
> developed a reduplication system when the parent language didn't have
> a reduplication system >
>
> <><><><><><><><><>
> Mark Irwin
>
>
>
>
>
> On 12 Feb 2009, at 08:12, Paul Hopper wrote:
>
>> It isn't hard to come up with examples of languages that have lost
>> reduplication, but wasn't the original question concerned with
>> languages _developing new_ reduplicating systems?
>>
>> The tense-aspect reduplications of Latin, Gothic, Greek etc. are
>> surely of Indo-European date, and so don't count as examples of
>> newly developed reduplication, the theme of the question. Nor do
>> isolated examples like English 'ping-pong', German 'beben'. Perhaps
>> someone can give us examples of creoles that have developed
>> (re)duplication?
>>
>> I seem to remember somewhere someone making a distinction between
>> (partial) _reduplication_ like Latin tetigi, Indonesian sesuatu
>> "some or other" and (whole) _duplication_ like Indonesian barang-
>> barang "different kinds of things" (barang='thing'), orang-orang
>> 'people'. There are many subtypes, and a biiiig literature.
>>
>> Paul Hopper
>> ---------
>>
>>> Latin conjugations:  tango~tetegi; many Latin and Greek nouns and
>>> adjectives
>>>
>>> ??????o? being the best known; some Koine Greek verbs
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Scott Catledge
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>> 3.  development of reduplication systems (Jeff Roesler Stebbins)
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>> Message: 1
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>>> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:17:51 -0600
>>>
>>> From: John Kyle <jhobartkyle at gmail.com>
>>>
>>> Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems
>>>
>>> To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu
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>>>
>>>
>>> I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have
>>> developed
>>>
>>> a reduplication system when the parent language didn't have a
>>> reduplication
>>>
>>> system.  I've seen examples of languages which have lost
>>> reduplication
>>> (and
>>>
>>> of course languages which have retained a reduplication system) but I
>>> have
>>>
>>> not been able to find any examples of a reduplication system which
>>> developed
>>>
>>> on its own.  If anyone could let me know of any references or
>>> examples, I
>>>
>>>
>>> would gladly post a follow-up with the information.  Thank you.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John Kyle
>>>
>>> jhobartkyle at gmail.com
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>>> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:05:30 +0100
>>>
>>> From: "Paolo Ramat" <paoram at unipv.it>
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems
>>>
>>> To: "John Kyle" <jhobartkyle at gmail.com>,  <Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu
>>> >
>>>
>>> Message-ID: <EE0767A046EA4D0793BB42FB8BA149CF at acerpaolo>
>>>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear John,
>>>
>>> what exactly do you mean by "reduplication system"? I'm aware of many
>>> languages having reduplication in their paradigms (e.g. the perfect
>>> tense
>>> in Classical Greek --
>>>
>>> which later went lost in Byzantine and Modern Greek). But can we
>>> consider
>>> Greek as a reduplication system language?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Prof. Paolo Ramat
>>>
>>> Istituto Universitario di Studi Superiori (IUSS)
>>>
>>> Responsabile della classe di Scienze Umane
>>>
>>> V.le Lungo Ticino Sforza 56, 27100 Pavia ? Italia
>>>
>>> Tel. +39 0382 375811 Fax +39 0382 375899
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> From: John Kyle
>>>
>>> To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu
>>>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:17 PM
>>>
>>> Subject: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have
>>> developed a reduplication system when the parent language didn't
>>> have a
>>> reduplication system.  I've seen examples of languages which have
>>> lost
>>> reduplication (and of course languages which have retained a
>>> reduplication system) but I have not been able to find any examples
>>> of a
>>> reduplication system which developed on its own.  If anyone could
>>> let me
>>> know of any references or examples, I would gladly post a follow-up
>>> with
>>> the information.  Thank you.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John Kyle
>>>
>>> jhobartkyle at gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> --- --
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:22:53 -0700 (MST)
>>>
>>> From: Jeff Roesler Stebbins <Jeff.Stebbins at Colorado.EDU>
>>>
>>> Subject: [Histling-l]  development of reduplication systems
>>>
>>> To: Paolo Ramat <paoram at unipv.it>, John Kyle <jhobartkyle at gmail.com>,
>>>
>>> Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu
>>>
>>> Message-ID: <20090211072253.AKH37075 at superman.int.colorado.edu>
>>>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Go to Google Scholar and type "Vietnamese reduplication"--you'll
>>> see a
>>> lot about
>>>
>>> reduplication in VNese and several related languages.  We Westerners
>>> might be prone to
>>>
>>> focus upon the consonants, but (as you can read in some of those
>>> papers)
>>> VN's
>>>
>>> reduplication system also interacts a lot with its tonal system,
>>> which
>>> has developed (and
>>>
>>> is still developing) independently of neighboring Sino-Tibetan and
>>> Tai-Kadai tonal
>>>
>>> languages.
>>>
>>> Jeff Stebbins
>>>
>>> Univ. Colorado, Linguistics
>>>
>>> 719-660-6280
>>>
>>> - - - -
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep
>>>
>>> to gain what he cannot lose." (Elliot)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---- Original message ----
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:05:30 +0100
>>>
>>> From: "Paolo Ramat" <paoram at unipv.it>
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [Histling-l] development of reduplication systems
>>>
>>> To: "John Kyle" <jhobartkyle at gmail.com>,<Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear John,
>>>
>>> what exactly do you mean by "reduplication system"?
>>>
>>> I'm aware of many languages having reduplication in their paradigms
>>> (e.g.
>>> the
>>>
>>> perfect tense in Classical Greek --
>>>
>>> which later went lost in Byzantine and Modern
>>>
>>> Greek). But can we consider Greek as a reduplication system
>>>
>>> language?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Prof. Paolo Ramat
>>>
>>> Istituto Universitario di Studi Superiori
>>>
>>> (IUSS)
>>>
>>> Responsabile della classe di Scienze Umane
>>>
>>> V.le Lungo Ticino Sforza
>>>
>>> 56, 27100 Pavia ? Italia
>>>
>>> Tel. +39 0382 375811 Fax +39 0382 375899
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> From:
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> Kyle
>>>
>>> To: Histling-l at mailman.rice.edu
>>>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:17
>>>
>>> PM
>>>
>>> Subject: [Histling-l] development of
>>>
>>> reduplication systems
>>>
>>> I was wondering if anyone had any examples of languages which have
>>>
>>> developed a reduplication system when the parent language didn't
>>> have a
>>>
>>> reduplication system.  I've seen examples of languages which have
>>> lost
>>>
>>> reduplication (and of course languages which have retained a
>>> reduplication
>>>
>>>
>>> system) but I have not been able to find any examples of a
>>> reduplication
>>>
>>> system which developed on its own.  If anyone could let me know of
>>> any
>>>
>>> references or examples, I would gladly post a follow-up with the
>>>
>>> information.  Thank you.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John Kyle
>>>
>>> jhobartkyle at gmail.com
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