Histling-l Digest, Vol 34, Issue 5

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I strongly disagree with Professor Martin Counihan on the format.
I wish to be absolutely certain that the e-journal will be in a citable 
form and not degenerate into some type of Wiki.  His description, if I
understand it correctly, sounds too loose to be cited as an academic 
source.  If I am wrong, I have an open mind on the subject; however, 
the issue of qualifying as an academic citation is a vital issue to me.

N. Scott Catledge, PhD/STD
Professor Emeritus
history & languages

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Dear colleagues,

I am very keen on contributing to an additional international journal on
historical Linguistics, being a historical linguist myself and being faced
with quite limited publication possibilities. Please keep me posted on new
developments.

Yours,

Evie Couss?

Assistant professor at the Department of Dutch Linguistics, Ghent University
(Belgium)
Associate professor at the Department of Languages and Literatures,
University of Gothenburg (Sweden)

Contact information spring semester 2009-2010
University of Gothenburg, Department of languages and literatures
Visiting address: Lundgrensgatan 7, Room H714, Gothenburg, Sweden
Mail address: Box 200, 405 30 G?teborg, Sweden
Phone: + 46 (0)31 7864589

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I would be very interested in such an e-journal; unhappily, my health
is too uncertain for me to volunteer any assistance.

N. Scott Catledge, PhD/STD
Professor Emeritus
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Dear all,
I'd like to bring histling subscribers' attention to the LSA's eLanguage
cojournal site (http://elanguage.net/). eLanguage is set up as a set of
"cojournals" (that is, independent journals with their own editorial boards
and referee process), but with a single web host and related infrastructure.

It would be great if historical linguistics had its own cojournal. Some
informal discussions I've had would indicate that there's considerable
interest in a new historical journal, that the current outlets for
historical journal publications have no shortage of quality submissions and
that a new publication would not hurt them, and that it would be a good way
to raise the profile of our field.

Would someone be interested in taking this on? Information about proposing a
cojournal can be found here: http://elanguage.net/propose.php Perhaps a
small group of histling subscribers would be interested in getting together
to put a proposal together? (note, I'm not volunteering; unfortunately, I
just don't have the time.)

Claire
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 17:26:48 -0800
From: "Thurgood, Graham" <GThurgood at csuchico.edu>
Subject: Re: [Histling-l] eLanguage and historical linguistics
To: Domenec Mendez <domenec.mendeth at gmail.com>,
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Such a journal would be of great interest.  If I can help, let me know.

Graham Thurgood

On 1/17/10 12:11 PM, "Domenec Mendez" <domenec.mendeth at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all,

just chipping in with my 10 cents for this new publication.
good luck to everybody.

Domenec

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Date: Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Histling-l] eLanguage and historical linguistics
To: Claire Bowern <claire.bowern at yale.edu>
Cc: histling-l <histling-l at mailman.rice.edu>

Thanks, Claire, for raising this.

Speaking as the editor of one of the few existing journals dedicated to
language change, I personally would welcome the development of a new
e-journal and/or print journal in the field. Yes, we at Diachronica are
being pretty much overwhelmed with submissions, far more than we can
publish, and this is generally work of high quality -- it's material that
deserves to be out there.

The new LabPhon journal might be one model for how to move forward, and it's
consistent with what you suggest. I don't know exactly, but I believe they
assembled a committee to discuss things, develop a focus, work with possible
publishers, etc. Agreeing to join a group of 10-12 people would be less
taxing than taking the lead alone. (I don't have time to lead the effort
either -- thanks to the traffic at Diachronica, largely -- but I'd
appreciate at least knowing what's happening.)

A key issue will be finding the right focus -- something that differentiates
any new journal sufficiently from Diachronica, FLH and other outlets. For
instance, at Diachronica, if a paper doesn't make a pretty directly
theoretical contribution to understanding language change (along with
careful empirical angles, of course), its chances of acceptance drop
dramatically. It would be great to have a general historical journal that
doesn't insist on that -- where a good analysis of historical data would be
welcome on its own terms.

Another issue may be that some might have concerns about creating an
e-journal (such as eLanguage) rather than a print journal, but that too
could presumably be talked through.

Let's hope your message will generate some discussion on the list about how
to move forward.

Joe

On Jan 17, 2010, at 9:52 AM, Claire Bowern wrote:

Dear all,
I'd like to bring histling subscribers' attention to the LSA's eLanguage
cojournal site (http://elanguage.net/). eLanguage is set up as a set of
"cojournals" (that is, independent journals with their own editorial boards
and referee process), but with a single web host and related infrastructure.

It would be great if historical linguistics had its own cojournal. Some
informal discussions I've had would indicate that there's considerable
interest in a new historical journal, that the current outlets for
historical journal publications have no shortage of quality submissions and
that a new publication would not hurt them, and that it would be a good way
to raise the profile of our field.

Would someone be interested in taking this on? Information about proposing a
cojournal can be found here: http://elanguage.net/propose.php Perhaps a
small group of histling subscribers would be interested in getting together
to put a proposal together? (note, I'm not volunteering; unfortunately, I
just don't have the time.)

Claire

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From: "Counihan M.J." <counihan at soton.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: [Histling-l] Histling-l Digest, Vol 34, Issue 4
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Dear colleagues,

I have followed this discussion with great interest.  I agree wholeheartedly
that there is a need for an open electronic publishing system for historical
linguistics, but I am not convinced that the LSA eLanguage system is exactly
what is needed.  Rather than an online journal which apes the structure and
culture of a print journal, a more open and informal system might be more
valuable to the community.  A sort of cross between the archaeologists'
Archnet:

http://archnet.asu.edu

and the physicists' Arxiv:

http://xxx.soton.ac.uk/

might fit the bill.  This is also worth a glance:

http://www.osti.gov/eprints/

In other disciplines a great deal of work has been done to build up online
repositories so that papers will be securely stored but can be easily found,
with individuals being able to quickly upload their work in preprint form as
well as in final peer-reviewed form.  The LSA/eLanguage system is good, but
there is a much wider range of possibilities which historical linguists
should consider.

Regards,

Martin Counihan
University of Southampton

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Dear colleagues,

I am very keen on contributing to an additional international journal on
historical Linguistics, being a historical linguist myself and being faced
with quite limited publication possibilities. Please keep me posted on new
developments.

Yours,

Evie Couss?

Assistant professor at the Department of Dutch Linguistics, Ghent University
(Belgium)
Associate professor at the Department of Languages and Literatures,
University of Gothenburg (Sweden)

Contact information spring semester 2009-2010
University of Gothenburg, Department of languages and literatures
Visiting address: Lundgrensgatan 7, Room H714, Gothenburg, Sweden
Mail address: Box 200, 405 30 G?teborg, Sweden
Phone: + 46 (0)31 7864589

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I would be very interested in such an e-journal; unhappily, my health
is too uncertain for me to volunteer any assistance.

N. Scott Catledge, PhD/STD
Professor Emeritus
history & languages

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Dear all,
I'd like to bring histling subscribers' attention to the LSA's eLanguage
cojournal site (http://elanguage.net/). eLanguage is set up as a set of
"cojournals" (that is, independent journals with their own editorial boards
and referee process), but with a single web host and related infrastructure.

It would be great if historical linguistics had its own cojournal. Some
informal discussions I've had would indicate that there's considerable
interest in a new historical journal, that the current outlets for
historical journal publications have no shortage of quality submissions and
that a new publication would not hurt them, and that it would be a good way
to raise the profile of our field.

Would someone be interested in taking this on? Information about proposing a
cojournal can be found here: http://elanguage.net/propose.php Perhaps a
small group of histling subscribers would be interested in getting together
to put a proposal together? (note, I'm not volunteering; unfortunately, I
just don't have the time.)

Claire
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 17:26:48 -0800
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Subject: Re: [Histling-l] eLanguage and historical linguistics
To: Domenec Mendez <domenec.mendeth at gmail.com>,
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Such a journal would be of great interest.  If I can help, let me know.

Graham Thurgood

On 1/17/10 12:11 PM, "Domenec Mendez" <domenec.mendeth at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all,

just chipping in with my 10 cents for this new publication.
good luck to everybody.

Domenec

www.livescripts.ning.com <http://www.livescripts.ning.com>

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Date: Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Histling-l] eLanguage and historical linguistics
To: Claire Bowern <claire.bowern at yale.edu>
Cc: histling-l <histling-l at mailman.rice.edu>

Thanks, Claire, for raising this.

Speaking as the editor of one of the few existing journals dedicated to
language change, I personally would welcome the development of a new
e-journal and/or print journal in the field. Yes, we at Diachronica are
being pretty much overwhelmed with submissions, far more than we can
publish, and this is generally work of high quality -- it's material that
deserves to be out there.

The new LabPhon journal might be one model for how to move forward, and it's
consistent with what you suggest. I don't know exactly, but I believe they
assembled a committee to discuss things, develop a focus, work with possible
publishers, etc. Agreeing to join a group of 10-12 people would be less
taxing than taking the lead alone. (I don't have time to lead the effort
either -- thanks to the traffic at Diachronica, largely -- but I'd
appreciate at least knowing what's happening.)

A key issue will be finding the right focus -- something that differentiates
any new journal sufficiently from Diachronica, FLH and other outlets. For
instance, at Diachronica, if a paper doesn't make a pretty directly
theoretical contribution to understanding language change (along with
careful empirical angles, of course), its chances of acceptance drop
dramatically. It would be great to have a general historical journal that
doesn't insist on that -- where a good analysis of historical data would be
welcome on its own terms.

Another issue may be that some might have concerns about creating an
e-journal (such as eLanguage) rather than a print journal, but that too
could presumably be talked through.

Let's hope your message will generate some discussion on the list about how
to move forward.

Joe

On Jan 17, 2010, at 9:52 AM, Claire Bowern wrote:

Dear all,
I'd like to bring histling subscribers' attention to the LSA's eLanguage
cojournal site (http://elanguage.net/). eLanguage is set up as a set of
"cojournals" (that is, independent journals with their own editorial boards
and referee process), but with a single web host and related infrastructure.

It would be great if historical linguistics had its own cojournal. Some
informal discussions I've had would indicate that there's considerable
interest in a new historical journal, that the current outlets for
historical journal publications have no shortage of quality submissions and
that a new publication would not hurt them, and that it would be a good way
to raise the profile of our field.

Would someone be interested in taking this on? Information about proposing a
cojournal can be found here: http://elanguage.net/propose.php Perhaps a
small group of histling subscribers would be interested in getting together
to put a proposal together? (note, I'm not volunteering; unfortunately, I
just don't have the time.)

Claire

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