Arm. targal 'spoon' (fwd)

[manaster at umich.edu]

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On Fri, 20 Nov 1998, Miguel Carrasquer Vidal wrote:
 
> We could postulate a form like *deru'wa(:)l- or doru'wa(:)l-, with *e
> or *o > a and regular development of w- before the stressed syllable,
> but in such a derivation (or compound) I would sooner expect
> *druwa(:)l-, which would have given **artugal.
>
This does seem a dead end.
 
>
> If the the etymology is, as I suspect, *derwa(:)l-, have you
> considered the possibility that it's not a counterexample at all?
> Armenian *w behaves very differently depending on whether it's
> syllable initial or syllable final and on where the stress used to
> be.
 
I have, but there are too few examples to hang anything like that
on.
 
> And on seeing *[h]olw, I wonder if there might be a connection
> between your proposed *(r/l)w > j^ (by way of -y-?) and what we see
> in the o- and a:-stems in -i, where the oblique cases have -w- (hogi,
> hogw-oy "spirit", maybe from *hogw, *hogwosio; and aygi, aygwoy
> "vineyard" from *aygw, *aygwosio, and thus from plain PIE *oiwa:
> instead of Pokorny's dreadful *oiwiia:)?  That would of course
> require explaining why *gw < *w was not delabialized here, but seems
> otherwise a neat solution: after a consonant, syllable final (?) -w >
> -y, and further develops into -j^ after liquids, and -i after stops.
>
I was just thinking about this.  Wow!
 
Alexis