uc and ucak

[H.M.Hubey]

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I am going to ask something that sounds very strange.
 
I noticed accidentally that a word like 'uchakka' (that is
reasonably close) meant 'to fly' in Sanskrit. (I hope that was
Sanskrit, and not Indic or Hindi).
 
In any case, it is very strange for me to see this since
'uch' means 'to fly' in Turkic. The choices are
 
1. Accident
2. There is something we are missing
        2.a) Uch was borrowed into Turkic
        2.b) "uch" is protoworld
        2.c) The root comes from the Ancient ME (ANE)
 
There might be more but these are good enough for a start.
 
1) with odds of 1 to 100 or 1 to 1000, it behooves not to
believe this at first.
 
2a) There are too many pieces of evidence against it. But
this could be one sided because I do not know Sanskrit.
This is a common phenomena. If I am asked "Is a qumquat
more like a quince or an apple?" I could not answer this
correctly unless I knew all three fruits. So the Sanskrit
part has to be provided by IE scholars, however I will do
my little part from the Turkic angle, and even more. I will
also take this to the ANE :-)
 
There are too many Turkic words that have something close to
this and they fall into a pattern. First there is 'uc'
meaning 'edge'. But there are similar words (/r/ words)
like /Or/ (where O=high rounded o, i.e. o-umlaut) (having
to do with height, /Orle/ (to climb), /Orge/ (upwards),
/Oreley/ (standing up), etc. And these can be found in
East Turkistan as well as in the North Caucasus. Secondly
the /z/ version is there; i.e. Uzre, Uzeri , or Ust, UstUnde,
UsUnden, UstUN, etc having to do with 'top, above' etc. Then
there is 'oz' (to pass, to overtake), and /Os/ (to grow (high)).
 
2b) 'uch' or something related (see below in 2c) is protoworld,
but it goes thru lots of changes.
 
2c) The word for /bird' is /kush/. Something like k>x>h>0
would produce /ush/ > /uch/. And the k>x can be seen between
Turkic languages right now. Further, /mushen/ is /bird/
in Sumerian and m>k is Sumer > Turkic (as can be seen in
Tuna's book).
 
Furthermore in the OI books on Hittites, the word /ar/ shows
up as 'height', or 'high'. I think something like /arma/ was
'moon'. This is said to be an Asianic word, not IE. We note that
a > O, gives /Or/. Furthermore r > y gives /ay/ which is the
word for moon in Turkic. Furthermore r > y can be found to be
a change observed in Dravidian > Turkic (I think, I have to
check Lahovary, again).
 
Where does that leave Protoworld?
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Best Regards,
Mark
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