phil's article...

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Ignore what? best, akw

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>Date: 13-jun-2008 02:44:22 -0500
>From: "phil cash cash" <cashcash at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU>
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>My apologies, I sent this private message in error (both to 
the 
>listserv and in
>the subj line)!!  I am not sure how you can ignore it but 
just know that it
>does not belong here. 
>Phil Cash Cash
>UofA
>Quoting phil cash cash :
>
>> Hi Rob, enclosed is my edited document.  I have made some 
minor though key
>> changes on following up with your set of recent questions.  
They were 
>> all good
>> questions so I made a focused attempt here to address them.  
My notes 
>> on these
>> changes/additions are given below.
>>
>> (I've also inserted your abstract. Does this still stand, or 
does it need
>> changing at this stage?)
>>
>> My abstract was slightly modified & clarified given the 
expanded topical
>> information.
>>
>> (p.1 You have Kawagley (1991). But this appears as Kawagely 
in your list of
>> Refernces. Please advise which is correct.)
>>
>> Changed reference to: Kawagley.
>> (
>> (p.2 You have Hunn et al (1996). But it appears as 1998 in 
your References.
>> Which is correct?)
>>
>> Changed citation date to: 1998.
>>
>> (p.4 We'll need a page number for your Myth Locales quote 
please.)
>>
>> Added page number: 10.
>>
>> (The long quote on p.4-5 is drawn from Cash Cash (2004) Is 
this 2004a 
>> or 2004b?
>> Also we need a page number for the quote please.)
>>
>> Added citation: (Cash Cash 2004a:11)
>>
>> (The long quote begins: "The place [a rock art site] you are 
talking 
>> about was a
>> probably witness .."  Should this read "was probably a 
witness"? Or is the
>> former a direct representation of the Elder's actual words. 
If so, we 
>> probably
>> need  inserted here.)
>>
>> Added sic: "...probably [sic] witness to what happened..."
>>
>> (You refer to Cash Cash 2004 in the paragraph following this 
long 
>> quote. Is this
>> 2004a or 2004b?)
>>
>> Added citation: Cash Cash 2004a:13.
>>
>> (p.2 Re the sample of placenames fromt he Southern Columbia 
Plateau that you
>> refer to: * How was this sample chosen?)
>>
>> The term "sample" was incidentally misused here.  I believe 
it has 
>> too strong of
>> an analytic meaning when all I intended here was to use 
>> representative examples.
>>  So I reshaped the text to reflect this.  I also clarifies 
where my data is
>> coming from by adding a new subheading.  So now two 
subheadings are paired
>> together under the main heading "Placenames from the 
Southern Columbia
>> Plateau".  Once I did this, I think it made all the 
difference.
>>
>> (*Are the 90 names that relate to the Wallowa Mountains area 
all the 
>> names known
>> for this locality, or are there more? If there are more, how 
were the 90
>> chosen?)
>>
>> This number represents all the known documented placenames 
for this region.
>>
>> (* I find it remarkable that you are able to account for ALL 
the names in the
>> sample as belong to either of 3 simple categories. Were 
there no 
>> opaque names?)
>>
>> Yes, there were at least 5-10 partially opaques placenames.  
The descriptive
>> components of the these placenames were not immediately 
recognized by the
>> consultants.  I say 5-10 because we have been able to 
reconstruct 
>> some of these
>> since my research report was issued.  So I went ahead and 
added a simple
>> statement noting the presence of "a small number" of opaque 
placenames.  I
>> don't think it changes the percentages in any real way since 
the content is
>> attributable but not recognized.
>>
>> (* are the 3 categories mutually exclusive? Or can a 
placename belong 
>> to several
>> categories at once (eg referring to both landforms and flora 
or fauna)?)
>>
>> No, the categories can be belong the more than one of the 
categories.  An
>> example is given.
>>
>> (The examples you provide are excellent. Would you be able 
to provide 
>> additional
>> examples that relate to landforms and hydrogeographic 
features and 
>> exampels that
>> refer to people?)
>>
>> Yes, another examples is provided.
>>
>> (Would you consider including the list of 90 placenames in 
an appendix to the
>> paper?)
>>
>> No, my tribe is in the process of compiling for publication 
an atlas 
>> of all our
>> placenames, including the ones listed here.
>>
>> (In the text (p.3) you identify the placename suffix as -
pa 'at/on'. 
>> In examples
>> 1) and 3) it appears as -pe. In example 2) it appears as -p. 
Is there 
>> an error
>> here, or are these allomorphs? If we do have allomorphy 
here, could 
>> you explain
>> it in a footnote please.)
>>
>> I have included an added description of -p in the text.
>>
>> Finally, I rechecked my examples and regularized everything 
to a consistent
>> practical orthography rather than a more technical one.  
This should 
>> be easier
>> to handle since it now only has one unicode character X in 
example 1.
>>
>> Btw, there are two strange bracket characters [ ] in the 
second paragraph in
>> page 2.  I try to delete them but no go.  But when I print 
the page 
>> they do not
>> show up anywhere.  So anyway, they seem a nuisance.
>>
>> I hope all of these changes make for a clear and legible 
>> presentation.  Just let
>> me know if there is any additional changes/additions I 
should consider.
>>
>> take care,
>>
>> Phil
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Anthony K. Webster, Ph.D.
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