Indigenous Peoples Issues & Resources

Tue Jul 6 18:45:06 UTC 2010

that one had me laughing for a long time... I kept picturing it...
seems often the funniest stuff is *"SO believable."*
-rzs-

On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 12:24 AM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca> wrote:

>  '...nibbling bits with foreign feeling teeth.', '...average smart
> guys....' I love it.
>
> '...a good marriage guarantees a good sobering encounter with humility....'
> My wife went to visit her sister last Wednesday. I called to ask how she was
> doing. My wife was resting so her sister got the phone. I asked her to tell
> my wife I had called. Her sister called back to let me know she told my
> wife, 'Rolland called while you were resting.' and my wife said,
> '...who....' She isn't even owl clan!!!!
>
>  -------
> wahjeh
> rolland nadjiwon
> ______________________________________________
>
> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory…
> ______________________________________________
>
>
> Perhaps it is only the poets, artists and medicine people/ spiritual
> leaders that take us beyond science and back again....
>
> Eekoshi.
> Heather
>
> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 11:50 PM, Richard Zane Smith <rzs at wildblue.net>wrote:
>
>> hey Rolland,
>> thanks for sharing this poem...
>> i'm glad you had a moment of shamelessness to put it out there.!
>>
>> I don't know, your last comment sure made my lips pull back on "my foreign
>> feeling" teeth ....
>>  *"Not to be blasphemous or initiate aggression, I have always believed
>> poets and artists *
>> *can also take you beyond where science cannot go..."*
>>  ....to smile of course!
>>
>>  Making stuff is as ancient as it gets...chipping out stone scraping and
>> chopping tools,
>> and just about defines us as "creators"
>> I think ol' Hawkins was so dang brilliant he probably realized how little
>> he knew
>> and was peaceful about accepting even mysterious possibilities.
>>
>>  Most of us average smart guys simply have a hard time admitting to
>> truckloads of ignorance.
>> Thankfully a good marriage guarantees a good sobering encounter with
>> humility when we need it.
>>
>>  ske:noh
>> Richard
>>
>>
>>
>>  On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 11:16 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca>wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Richard...that would be great...to receive your writings. I have
>>> no idea what the course will be by the time it is finished but with so many
>>> ideas to bring forward and the ideas the students will input, the course
>>> should finish but not end...kinda spiral like.
>>>
>>> The image is great and takes me to images of Uroborus. Interesting also
>>> how the image clearly shows what is outside the spiral is also the
>>> spiral...a bit of shameless self promotion here...the first poem in my book
>>> of poems, 'seven deer dancing' reads as follows:
>>>
>>> *oscillations*
>>>
>>> you must sleep
>>> you must dream
>>>
>>> your dreaming
>>> must dream me
>>> or i cannot dream you
>>> into my dream
>>>
>>> breathing--
>>>
>>> in and out
>>>     motionless
>>> under archaic lapis
>>>
>>> in and out
>>>     like a bronze man breathing
>>> his azury breath
>>> at the azury centre of time
>>> released from all destructions—
>>>
>>>   "what does all this have to do with technology? I wanna hear about the
>>> latest electronic gagets! not spirals!" I think it all indicates so clearly
>>> how extremely far technology has still to come... Stephen Hawking, in my
>>> very bad paraphrase, suggests physics, science, technology can take us only
>>> to the 'event'. Gods must take you beyond. Not to be blasphemous or initiate
>>> aggression, I have always believed poets and artists can also take you
>>> beyond where science cannot go...
>>>
>>> -------
>>> wahjeh
>>> rolland nadjiwon
>>> ______________________________________________
>>>
>>> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory…
>>> ______________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   On 05/07/2010 10:27 PM, Richard Zane Smith wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey thats pretty interesting Heather,
>>> something pretty universal with that thing.
>>> I wonder if maybe someones thinking "what does all this have to do with
>>> technology?
>>> I wanna hear about the latest electronic gagets! not spirals!"
>>> For scientists,(poor things),it'll almost take a Physics approach to come
>>> even near this stuff.
>>>  Oh and Rolland ,
>>>  yeah! use what you want , of course! I'm honored!
>>> i've been writing more stuff about the spiral .... for what its worth,
>>> I can send it to you. I think the Spiral can be an  ancient key to open
>>> basic universals of Change, Pattern and Mystery that can apply to
>>> everything from
>>> the cycles of days,months,years,ages, human life  patterns,
>>> to describing the birth rise peak decline and collapse of civilizations
>>> (see jpg)
>>> of religions, of personal life and cultural life. Maybe as an
>>> artist/craftsman
>>> I like to see simple basic patterns in things.... nothing fancy or
>>> high-tech...
>>>
>>>  ske:noh
>>> Richard
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Heather Souter <hsouter at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Taanshi.
>>>>
>>>> Wahwaa!  Tapwee lii boñ nistwer.  Kihchi-maarsii!    Wow!  Some really
>>>> wonderful stories.  Thank-you very much!
>>>>
>>>> I remember having to write "my own cosmology" for a course I did at UBC
>>>> some years ago....  The images that came to my mind were of spirals within
>>>> spirals and multiple "returns to origin"....  It was nothing like what I had
>>>> been taught in the course (Geophysics/Astrophysics)!   LOL!   Anyhow,  I
>>>> continue to ponder the images ever since....
>>>>
>>>> Kihchi-maarsii por tii parol!   Thank-you for your words!
>>>>
>>>> Eekoshi.  That's it.
>>>> Heather Souter
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Rolland Nadjiwon <mikinakn at shaw.ca>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ...that is so great and strengthening to hear such positive comments
>>>>> and postings...a good feeling to know everyone we really need is already
>>>>> here...megwetch MJ Hardman...
>>>>>
>>>>> -------
>>>>> wahjeh
>>>>> rolland nadjiwon
>>>>> ______________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>> A clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory…
>>>>> ______________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  On 05/07/2010 4:02 PM, MJ Hardman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Ay, Rolland, write what you remember, to leave it for your
>>>>> grandchildren and their grandchildren; you are right, I’m sure, that those
>>>>> who are gone knew you would remember.
>>>>>
>>>>> My husband has just done that — from what his grandparents and other
>>>>> elders born in the 19th century told him.  It took him some 15 years.  He is
>>>>> now in his 90s and now, finally, his book is in press, some 600 pages, at
>>>>> the Universidad de San Marcos, and they say that it will be used not only in
>>>>> Tupe but in the whole Province for students in high school so they may have
>>>>> a history of their own.  It is time.
>>>>>
>>>>> He drew three maps, one for before the Spanish, one for after and one
>>>>> modern.  And now he’s thinking of the next book, of all the more that he’s
>>>>> remembered.
>>>>>
>>>>> MJ
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/5/10 12:30 PM, "Rolland Nadjiwon" <mikinakn at SHAW.CA> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  My wife, my children, my grandchildren tell me I am becoming
>>>>> forgetful. More of the material/consumerism I see today is becoming less
>>>>> important and I find myself thinking about the many things from all my
>>>>> grandparents/elders I thought I had forgotten. I realize now, they knew I
>>>>> would remember....
>>>>>
>>>>>  -------
>>>>> wahjeh
>>>>>
>>>>> rolland nadjiwon
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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