What's going on...

[Rudy Troike]

Richard,

  Thanks for this comment -- we're getting a bit off-topic for this list,
but your remarks made me recall the instructions of the judge the last
time I was on a jury. We were instructed to "determine the truth from the
facts". The 'truth' was not given, but was to be determined on the basis
of the 'facts'. That's a quite different orientation, but interesting
nonetheless.

   Rudy


Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 10:15:50 -0600
Subject: Re: What's going on...
From: Richard Zane Smith <rzs at WILDBLUE.NET>

 a real philosophical study thats been wrestled with for eons and worth pursuing
still, the various cultural differences between given "truth" its relation to
the newer concept - "fact" where they intersect, and when they seem to be such
opposite forces,people feel like they must choose between the two.
Love this kind of wrestling because it keeps stretching the cellophane covering
our hardened definitions. "reality" is much more illusive and slippery than we
often want. noun obsessed languages really do present their own term problems.

if "everything" includes "everything" ...how could "everything" exclude
"nothing?"

Richard
Wyandotte Oklahoma



On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 11:22 PM, Rudy Troike <rtroike at email.arizona.edu> wrote:

    Howdy,

     I agree with Resa that the message is more important that the biographical
    accuracy, and people who want to focus on the latter are trying to subvert
    the message. But it was hard to look at Jonah's face and not believe that
    this was real. The tears certainly don't seem manufactured.

     Rudy


Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 11:43:15 -0500
Subject: Re: What's going on....
From: Resa C Bizzaro <resa.bizzaro at IUP.EDU>

Hi, everyone. Thanks, Rolland, for sending this link along. I saw it yesterday,
and I read through some of the comments. That was where I found out that there
is quite a bit of controvery over whether the video is actually true. Some
postings indicate that Jonah Mowry lied. I did not continue to look into the
videos (due to time constraints) to see if the video was a hoax or not.

Whether the video is true or false, I still believe it's important for us to be
vigilant with regard to bullying. It has become apparent to me (through my own
experience with my son being bullied) that the bullying cessation programs in
our public schools are not working.

    Resa