Hittites ~ Phrygians ~ Balkan peoples?

ECOLING at aol.com ECOLING at aol.com
Mon Jul 26 15:12:27 UTC 1999


There has been much discussion of the Hittites and the Phrygians,
and other names for these or other peoples of Anatolia
and the Balkans (Thracians, Illyrians, Dacians, Moesians, etc. etc.),
which may have been incorrectly taken as distinct peoples in the past,
instead of simply as different names used for the same peoples
at different times or by different authors or cultures.

Can someone produce a summary of the argument for a new
way of viewing things in TABULAR form?

Or, since this is email, at least in condensed summary
of some sort?  Given the slight differences of opinions
on Dacia and Moesia around the lower Danube river,
there will of course have to be slight difference in such
summaries.  That will be healthy, so I hope more than
one contributor will respond.  Something like this???:

"Hittite"  name for X people during time period S...T
     Who used this name?
"Phrygian"  name for X people during time period U...V
     Who used this name?

  (with whatever extra notes are needed on overlaps of time and place)
    "Who used this name"  is intended mainly for use when the source was
     Herodotus or another pre-modern source)

and so on for other peoples and sets of names?

I would like to have some handy reference for understanding
both the debates themselves and also the implications of the
claims being made, which are often buried in the text of the
discussions, or evident only to specialists.

What I am thinking of is the difficulties of the entire
Illyrian-Thracian- etc. areas, whether the discussants seem
to be implying that some of these peoples were also the descendants
of Hittites or Celts or close relatives of theirs, as distinct from
later Slavic peoples, or mostly-lost branches of IE.

It is by now taken as fact (?) that the
Celts were early branches off from the IE stem at about the same
time as the Tocharians and shortly after the Hittites,
or however that might be more exactly put these days.

Similar threads are proceding on the ANE and the IndoEuropean email lists,
and arose there about the same time on the two lists.

Lloyd Anderson
Ecological Linguistics



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