"centum"/"satem" "exceptions" [was Re: Northwest IE attributes]

[Eduard Selleslagh]

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>> frank at uiowa.edu writes:

> << 1) what then is the standard reconstruction proposed for Skt. pu:r-, Greek
>> <polis> and Baltic <pilis>? And the prototype meaning assigned to it?

[Ed]
And Slavic toponyms like Plzen' (Ger. Pilsen).

> -- *pelh(x), "fort, fortified place".

> There's a possible cognate in Armenian -- 'k'alak', meaning "city".

[Ed]

Could Celtic 'briga' (> Gmc. burg) be a cognate? (and what about the Phryges,
Bruges?)

>> 2) is this set considered a good candidate for admission to the (P)IE
>> lexicon? Stated differently, does attestation in Sanskrit, Greek and Baltic
>> languages suffice for a data set to be considered part of the (P)IE lexicon?

> -- a dialect word of the south and east of the PIE world, at least.

> There's also *uriien, 'fort', which gives Mycenaean 'rijo', promontory, and
> Tocharian 'ri', 'town'.

[Ed]

But that exist in a whole series of non-IE lgs.: Basque i/uri (< PB ili), mod.
Hebr. 'ir (long form yeru), Akkadian ur (like in Ur-Salimmu = Yeru-shala'im
= Jerusalem), (Sumerian??) etc. Maybe 'Ilion' (Troy) is derived from that.
So, even though it may have been part of the PIE vocabulary, it is apparently
not exclusively IE. A loan?

Ed. Selleslagh