[Lexicog] age-related pronunciation differences

[Marc Fryd]

Ken,
Pretty fascinating, and endearing! Reminds me of my wife and I with our 
older son Lucas
keeping track of his phonological development... Oh and, one anecdote.
Our younger son Simon (he was about five) was showing sluggish development 
in terms of articulation. This
was having us worried and we decided to have his hearing checked. It turned 
out that it  was hampered
by huge (!!!) natural wax plugs. Once these were removed, he attended 
weekly sessions
with a speech therapist for about 5 or six months and that was the end of it.
At the age of 8, he is now extremely rhythm conscious, and sings in a music 
school with obvious talent.
Best,
Marc


At 11:19 02/07/2004, you wrote:
>Marc,
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>My adopted 3 and 1/2  year old son speaks Qazaq, but his Qazaq is very
>unusual in that all his liquids (r, l) are pronounced as the semivowel /j/
>and his syllable initial velars and uvulars are pronounced as (d). In fact,
>his t>d.  As he learns English now, his English tends to be better
>pronounced than his Qazaq. However, he has problems with consonant clusters
>in English, such as "spoon", which he pronounces as /o.bun/. That is, he is
>applying Qazaq phonology to some new English words (i.e. ban on consonant
>clusters, vowel insertion, voicing assimilation, and vowel & rounding
>harmony). Problems in pronunciation by older adoptive kids from orphanages
>in Kazakhstan doesn't seem to be unusual, from my experience.
>
>This is interesting since younger brother aged 2 1/2  (also adopted) is just
>beginning to speak, and his velars and uvulars are mostly okay. But the /?/
>(uvular fricative - French "r") come out as the voiced velar stop /g/. In
>addition, his pronunciation of Russian is excellent, and he manages
>??????????? very well (talk about consonant clusters)!!!
>
>Ken
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Marc Fryd [mailto:marc.fryd at univ-poitiers.fr]
>Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 1:52 PM
>To: lexicographylist at yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Lexicog] age-related pronunciation differences
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>Well, to some extent, modern French also shows some level of age variation
>in the presence (some older speakers) or absence (all younger speakers) of
>a distinct phonetic gemination of consonants in words like "illustrer"
>('illustrate'). Or again in the retention of a full syllabic value of
><-ci-> = /sij/ (older speakers) in "remercier". This so-called "classical"
>pronunciation was indeed the norm in my younger days when reading poetry of
>performing plays. Strict observance of this norm now appears to be a thing
>of the past, as far as I can judge.
>Regards to list members.
>Marc
>
>At 18:58 29/06/2004, you wrote:
> >How have you been entering pronunciations of words in dictionaries when the
> >pronunciations vary by age?
> >
> >Let me illustrate: the traditional (and still widespread) pronunciation for
> >'old woman' in Cheyenne is mâhtamâhaahe where the â indicates a voiceless
> >syllable word-initially. Younger speakers do not know about the voiceless
> >syllable and pronounce the word without it, as tamâhaahe. Older speakers
>who
> >help check the dictionary will say that the shorter form is incorrect and
> >probably would not want it in the Cheyenne dictionary. However, the shorter
> >pronunciation is widespread among the youngest speakers.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Wayne Leman
> >Cheyenne dictionary project
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>Marc Fryd
>Université de Poitiers
>95 avenue du Recteur Pineau, 86022 Poitiers
>Tel:
>Work: 33(0)5 49 45 48 11
>Cell: 33(0)6 76 28 18 50
>E-mail:  Marc.Fryd at univ-poitiers.fr
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Marc Fryd
Université de Poitiers
95 avenue du Recteur Pineau, 86022 Poitiers
Tel:
Work: 33(0)5 49 45 48 11
Cell: 33(0)6 76 28 18 50
E-mail:  Marc.Fryd at univ-poitiers.fr 



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