[Lexicog] Turkey

[phil cash cash]

Thanks Jim,

In Nez Perce (Sahaptin) of western north america, turkey is /siitíin/ 
'with snot'.

Phil Cash Cash (cayuse/nez perce)

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On Aug 25, 2005, at 8:33 AM, Jimm GoodTracks wrote:

> I had not heard the story of the name "Turkey" being applied to the 
> N.Am
> bird via Africa & the country of Turkey.  I would think that a name 
> for the
> N.Am bird would have been well established by the earliest N & S. Am.
> colonists before the birds were imported/ deported to other continents.
> Surely, they would not have shiped an unknown "specimens" or "species"
> without calling them something.  After all, look at the label Columbus 
> gave
> indigenous Native Americans as he came upon them and sent a captured
> shipment of them to Spain, i.e., "Indians", based on his false 
> assumption
> that he landed in India.  (No need to get into the rest of his 
> atrocities,
> the naming being the least one)
>
> The Turkey, the indigenous large bird of the N & S.Am that is 
> nonmigratory,
> but is considered for both a game (hunting) and poultry bird 
> (domestically
> raised for eating).  The domestic bird is descended from the Mexican 
> turkey,
> taken to Europe by the conquistadores in the 16th century.  The wild 
> turkey
> is a woodlands bird, gregarious except at breeding time.  It is a good
> flyer.
>
> The Spanish for Turkey, the bird, is:  "guajalote" and "guanajo" in 
> Cuba.
> Another term is "pavo".
> The Turkey-Cock that was mentioned above is "gallipavo".
> I mention this as many Spanish names of  New World animals & birds were
> taken directly from the local indigenous languages, and thus may be a 
> clue
> to the English designation.
>
> For what it is worth, the N.Am central plains indigenous Ioway 
> (Baxoje) name
> for Turkey is "tagro'gro", which leads one to think it is taken 
> directly
> from the sounds that the turkey make.  On the otherhand, their related
> neighbors, the Otoe-Missouria, simply called the bird:  "waying'xanje"
> meaning -- big bird --.  The Ioway, Otoe-Missoria are indigenous to the
> present regions of  the states of Iowa, Nebraska, Missouri and Kansas
> [presently, removed to NE Kansas and central Oklahoma].  They are a 
> Siouian
> Family language, most closely related to the Winnebago (Hochank) of
> Wisconsin  [presently, of Wisconsin and Nebraska].
>
> I have no idea what the the Eastern tribes of the present U.S. may have
> called the woodlands bird, which also may provide some clue as to the
> present name "Turkey".
> Jimm
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nick Miller" <nick.miller at czech-translation.com>
> To: <lexicographylist at yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 4:12 AM
> Subject: [Lexicog] Turkey
>
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>>
>> Hi,
>> Can anyone shed any light (or feathers) on the origin of "turkey", as 
>> in
>> the
>> bird:
>> I read that the Guinea Fowl was originally the so-called 
>> "turkey(-cock)"
>> because it was imported from Africa through the country Turkey. 
>> Later, due
>> to confusion, the native American bird gained the name.
>> What confusion? It seems to be a rather "we don't actually know"
>> explanation.
>> Thanks,
>> Nick Miller
>>
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