[Lexicog] Tone languages in Toolbox/Shoebox

[Kenneth Keyes]

Hi. It may be that fonts encoded with Graphite tables like Doulos SIL, and 
Charis SIL would provide the correct rendering with WorldPad (also by SIL, 
which is Graphite aware). To display the diacritics correctly, you might 
have to distribute in PDF format.

In short, try WorldPad. You can download it from the site that Greg Aumann 
just suggested.

Ken

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Aumann" <Greg_Aumann at sil.org>
To: <lexicographylist at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Lexicog] Tone languages in Toolbox/Shoebox


> neduchi at netscape.net wrote:
>> As I have been made to understand (and as David has also further
>> confirmed in his last mail), the problem lies with the font
>> (developers):
>> "What they should do is  design the fonts to 'know how to' correctly
>> combine the special  "combining characters" with the preceding
>> characters. "
>> [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lexicographylist/message/3016]
>>
>> I prefer such a solution, because it should then work well with any
>> Unicode-aware software. It surely would take care of the
>> sorting/searching issues also raised by the initial poster. But I do
>> NOT know how to achieve it!
>>
> Not all the blame can be laid at the feet of font developers. There is
> also quite a bit to be laid at the feet of the system programmers who
> have also been slow to support the complex behaviours required by unicode.
>
> Your example is using latin script and latin script has two complex
> behaviours: diacritics and ligatures. In order for these complex
> behaviours to be supported there needs to be: 1) information in the
> font, 2) a latin shaping engine and 3) the application needs to use the
> shaping engine.
>
> As you have been told there is often a problem with 1). But also often
> 2) is also a problem. 3) is less often a problem, but the more
> significant the application (e.g. word processor, browser) the more
> likely it is to do its own thing (sometimes for the better sometimes not).
>
> Unfortunately as you have found the state of software and font support
> for unicode is not so good. Nevertheless unicode is the best solution
> and it is slowly improving. Apart from waiting for it to improve the
> other thing to do is to understand the issues and arrange things to
> reduce the problems as much as you can.
>
> As far as fonts go Doulos SIL and Charis SIL have all the necessary
> information to place diacritics correctly and also for the ligatures. I
> think Code 2000 is also pretty good in this respect. Arial Unicode MS
> does not and I suspect is unlikely to be upgraded. Microsoft have been
> upgrading their other fonts and distributing them with recent versions
> of their software but the names have remained the same so I think many
> people haven't noticed. Also you will not have seen the benefit of many
> of the improvements if your system software doesn't have a latin shaping
> engine.
>
> So if you have Microsoft Office 2003 and use Doulos SIL in that then you
> will see correct handling of diacritics and ligatures. If you have
> Windows XP service pack 2 then you may also see this in other
> applications such as Notepad, Wordpad, Toolbox etc. But if you use Word
> 2004 on the Macintosh then it doesn't handle diacritics and ligatures
> correctly. If you use the most recent Gnome desktop on Linux then it
> will work correctly. Open office on windows XP SP2 should work but on
> Linux it does not. In short the situation is pretty complex and widely
> variable. Also the situation for each script is different on each
> platform. Thus diacritics in latin script is completely seperate from
> diacritics in Arabic script for example.
>
> Also there are often bugs in shaping engines and renderers. Thus
> sometimes NFC text is ok but NFD is not even though the standard says
> they are meant to be equivalent.
>
> I know this isn't very encouraging but it is better to know the
> situation so as to work around it as best as possible.
>
> If you really want to know more gory details the http://scripts.sil.org
> website has lots of useful information.
>
> Greg
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