[Lexicog] Nouns

[Michael Nicholas]

Dear David, Brown trout is the name given to Salmo trutta. To we English it is just known as trout

David Frank <david_frank at sil.org> escribió:  from David Frank:

I will agree with Ron Moe on this... Phrases don't have parts of speech, and 
it is preferable, in my opinion, to leave out trying to list anything in the 
part-of-speech field for phrases in a dictionary. Some people tend to think 
that every dictionary entry needs to have SOMETHING listed for a part of 
speech, but I think phrases are an exception. Some people (as I have helped 
others with their dictionaries) want at least to put "phr." for "phrase," 
but I don't think that is necessary and is to be avoided. That is my 
opinion, in agreement with Ron's (who is more of an authority on 
dictionary-making than I am).

Now there are some cases where it is not clear what constitutes a compound 
word and what constitutes a phrase. The way English words are commonly 
written is not always a reliable guide. Consider "alot" vs. "a lot." The 
former is common, but it should be two words, on analogy with "a little." Or 
"all right" vs. "alright." Ever since this discussion began, I have been 
wondering if "hot dog" shouldn't be "hotdog." I'm sure it is sometimes 
spelled each way. (I think I would rather see a label that says "Hotdog Bun" 
rather than "Hot Dog Bun.")

Now in reference to what Greg Mellow wrote, I agree with him about "gun 
rack" and maybe "brown trout" and "elm beetle," but I think that the meaning 
of "dishwasher" is more specific than "dish" plus "washer." A dishwasher 
properly refers to a machine, not a person. Perhaps also "fireplace" is not 
just any place where there is a fire. You wouldn't refer to a burning 
building as a fireplace. And to me, "hitch" plus "hiker" doesn't equal 
"hitchhiker."

I don't know much about zoology or fishing, but it is quite possible that 
what is called a "brown trout" is not just any kind of trout that is brown. 
Similarly, a grizzly bear may be brown but it wouldn't be called a brown 
bear. 



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