[Lexicog] Oh-oh! Typology, Reduplicatives & Lexemes
bolstar1
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Tue Jul 3 22:59:36 UTC 2007
Hayim...Can you imagine our ancestor-progenitors saying to each other
about us post-genitors, "Oy-vieh, can you imagine what our post-
genitors syaing about us progenitors? This is tantamount to us
saying, "Enough."
I agree with you. I was just making a point.
Scott N.
--- In lexicographylist at yahoogroups.com, Hayim Sheynin
<hsheynin19444 at ...> wrote:
>
> Dear Scott,
>
> The only note I would like to make is that lexicography
> deals only with one type of communication, namely
> verbal communication.
> The signs, the whistles, the noises, the gestures even they are a
part of communication, they are no verbal communication. Only minimal
part of
> this which has high frequency enters to the dictionaries as
interjections,
> some of them (like `ta-ta') can be entered as slang expressions.
> For the big works treating combinations of words and idioms there
is a
> special sub-genre of dictionaries, I have in mind monolingual or
bilingual phraseological dictionaries.
>
> Hayim Y. Sheynin
>
> bolstar1 <bolstar1 at ...> wrote:
Hayim, Fritz, John, et al:
> I mentioned that it is rather a tricky business
categorizing
> precise types of fixed phrases, as falling necessarily into one
camp,
> but not another. It becomes a question of typological imperative
> (e.g. spacing for a particular publication), consensus among
> lexicographers/linguists, intention of speaker, and usefulness to
the
> masses. The balance in making typological units concise – yet
> inclusive -- is also tricky.
> This list exemplifies (though is far from comprehensive)
the
> point. I listed only emphatic reduplication organized around 1)
the
> nine main parts of speech – verbs, (modals), participles, adverbs,
> nouns, pronouns, adjectives, prepositions, interjections, and
> articles (only conjunctions are omitted) and 2) around repeated
> forms of reduplication (among the other forms mentioned).
> Some of these reduplicates are used also for writing out
> phonetically-suggestive words (or sounds), 'echoing'. For example,
an
> echoic morph for the morpheme meaning "disapproval or annoyance"
can
> be the reduplicative `tsk-tsk', or `tut-tut' (perhaps a "lexeme"
as
> has been referred to lately) – and best being categorized as
either
> 1) a verb in the imperative mood – implied meaning of "Don't do
> that." Or 2) a verb in the indicative mood, meaning "I am
> disappointed in that!" Hence the `underlying "mood "of the verb
(not
> mood of the person) is up for grabs here. Or it could be
categorized
> as 3) an interjection – simply expressing disapproval, or an
emotive
> reaction, with no necessary lexical meat on its bones. If the
> intention of the speaker had a truly "imperative" mood, then
another
> category would fit, or be warranted, or be assumed.
> A token morph for the morpheme/lexeme `farewell' can be
spoken
> and written as `ta-ta' (not emphatic, but demonstrating the point
> still). On the other hand, a "sort-of word" (a whistle) for the
> morpheme that expresses approval – as when a construction worker
sees
> an attractive woman walking by -- could be the reduplicative 'srrr-
> whistle' with a rising whistle-tone
immediately followed by the
`srrr-
> whistle' descending whistle-tone. Whether in spoken or in written
> form, they need categorizing. An all-inclusive group for that
would
> be simply a reduplicative. But under that paradigm could be
included
> non-verbal reduplicatives. The operative question here is whether
> there are enough of those non-verbal reduplicative emotive lexemes
to
> warrant a whole category. Sure there are, if one wants to group
them.
> (There are more of those, like "Uh-hu!" and "Uh-uh!" and "Oh-oh!
> And "Sheesh!
>
> Verbs
>
> never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity (i.e. not take
> advantage of things)
> If I've told you once, I've told you a million times. (or '...a
> thousand times)
>
> (Either) put up or shut up!
>
> pooh-pooh....(something)
>
> talk the talk (and walk the walk)
> (If you talk the talk, walk the walk!
>
> Whatever will be, will be.
>
> Whatever happens, happens.
>
> Wink, wink. (interjection & nonverbal communication)
>
> tut-tut someone (verb)
>
> Modals
> If I can do it, you can do it.
> If I can do it, anyone can do it.
> If we can send a man (men) to the moon, we can...
> If they can put a man on the moon...
> I would if I could but I can't.
>
> Participles
> I'm dying if I'm lying.
> If I'm lying, I'm dying.
> keep on keeping on
> "And it's a high fly ball to deep left
field...going...going...gone!"
>
> Adverbs
> over and over (again)
> "I've told you over and and over about that!"
>
>
blah, blah, blah.
> et cetera, et cetera.
> hurry-scurry
>
> Hamlet 2.02.311-315
>
> "What a piece of work is a
> man, how noble in reason, how infinite in faculties,
> in form and moving how express and admirable, in
> action how like an angel, in apprehension how like a
> god:
"
> It ain't over till it's over.
> Never say never!
> Never up, never in. (i.e. If the golf ball doesn't even reach the
> hole, it can't go IN the hole.)
> talk.../go.../rattle... on and on (about....(something)
>
> time after time
> time and time again
>
> The more things change, the more they stay the same.
>
> The more you get, the more you want.
>
> Nouns
> (that's) a no-no
>
> a slim Jim
> Slim Jims ™
>
> Surprise, surprise. (ironic tone)
>
> (Let's) call a spade a spade.
>
> Every day, in every way, I am getting better and better. (noun &
> adjective forms)
>
> fight fire with fire
>
> Location, location, location. (the key to successful real estate
> planning)
>
> out-Herod Herod (someone) (proper noun used as a verb (function))
>
> Water, water everywhere, and not a drop to drink.
>
> What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
>
> Pronouns
>
> Everyone who's anyone (will be there).
>
> not for nothing (did I...) (slang)
>
> 'Everybody's' business is 'nobody's' business.
>
> (for) you and you alone.
>
> I'm rubber, you're glue; what bounces off me sticks to you.
> (rhyme)
>
> Adjectives
>
> Desperate diseases desperate remedies.
>
> a rootin'-tootin'....
> a rooting-tooting
;
> a rootin', tootin', shootin'
)
>
> a blankety-blank....(something) (expletive deleted)
>
> a super-duper....(something)
>
> First things first.
>
> (just) hunky-dory
> Everything's junky-dory.
>
> Same old same old.
> Same ol', same ol'.
>
> (went) sky-high
>
> Some men are born great, some men achievement, some men have
> greatness thrust upon them. (Shakespeare)
>
> Prepositions
>
> In for a penny, in for a pound. (& alliteration)
>
> betwixt and between (two things)
>
> a little of this and a little of that
>
> Interjections
>
> Hell's bells!
> Hell's bells and buckets of blood!
>
> Here, here!
>
> Hubba-hubba!
>
> Well, well. If it isn't....(someone).
>
> tsk-tsk someone (verb)
>
> Tsk-tsk!
>
> Tut-tut!
>
> Articles
>
>
's the name,
's the game. (definite article & rhyme)
>
> The more the merrier. (definite article -- 'the' & alliteration)
>
> Where there's a will there's a way. (indefinite article 'a' &
pronoun
> & alliteration)
>
> -- Have fun "typing" these. There are many more where they came
> from.
>
> Scott N.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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