[Lexicog] " to let one's hair down " Digest Number 965
Scott
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Sun Apr 13 21:56:57 UTC 2008
“Take the ribbon from your hair
Shake it loose and let it fall
Lay it soft against your skin
Like the shadows on the wall.”
As a Southerner. I cannot say it any better.
Scott Catledge
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I am interested to learn how anglophones (from different parts of the world)
use the idiom "to let one's hair down."
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Sat Apr 12, 2008 10:54 am (PDT)
>From western US: relax and be yourself, casual, no airs or cover up.
Literally, I visualize a lady with fancy hairdo, letting it all out, au
natural.
Dick
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It can also mean to drop one's reserve and inhibitions.
John Roberts
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>From western US: relax and be yourself, casual, no airs or cover
up. Literally, I visualize a lady with fancy hairdo, letting it
all out, au natural.
Dick
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There is also another meaning to this idiom, a figurative one, to say be
frank, to say what is on your mind, to speak from one's heart.
Hayim Y. Sheynin
<mailto:dick_watson%40sil.org> dick_watson at sil.org wrote:
>From western US: relax and be yourself, casual, no airs or cover up.
Literally, I visualize a lady with fancy hairdo, letting it all out, au
natural.
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use the idiom “to let one’s hair down.â€
Fritz Goerling
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Sat Apr 12, 2008 9:34 pm (PDT)
To me (a native English speaker in my mid-40s, raised in the
western and midwestern US), the idiom "to let one's hair down"
has the senses that Dick mentioned: "relax and be yourself,
casual, no airs or cover up." I could understand it as "drop
one's reserve and inhibitions" only if I assumed that the
person's reserve and inhibitions were due to what other people
would think of him/her (thus it would be an extension of the
"relax and be yourself, casual, no airs or cover up" sense.) I
can't think of any context where I would understand "to let one's
hair down" with the sense "to say be frank, to say what is on
your mind, to speak from one's heart." (To communicate this, I
could explicitly say "Let your hair down. Say what you really
think.")
Since Fritz's original question was about "how anglophones (from
different parts of the world)" use the idiom, I'd find it
interesting to know where these other senses are used. (And if
they are used in the western and/or midwestern US, I'd be
interested in knowing the age of the speaker.)
Shelley Dufoe
John Roberts wrote: It can also mean to drop one's reserve
and inhibitions.
John Roberts
Hayim Sheynin wrote: There is also another meaning to this
idiom, a figurative one, to say be frank, to say what is on your
mind, to speak from one's heart.
Hayim Y. Sheynin
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>From western US: relax and be yourself, casual, no airs or cover
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Dick
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belmolisnimbus
Sat Apr 12, 2008 10:09 pm (PDT)
I am a native speaker of American English. To me "to let one's hair
down" has the sense of "to be frank, to say what is on your mind",
but I think that it can only be used in that sense when the restriction
that is relaxed is due to reserve as opposed, say, to a desire not
to offend one's interlocuter. For example, I remember an occasion
in which someone I had met when he was a student in one of my classes
with whom I had become friendly asked me how I could stand certain
mutual acquaintances, whom he correctly regarded as racist. This is
a situation that I would describe as "letting our hair down", because
the reason we had not previously spoken about such things is that we did
not know each other well and had started out in the student-teacher
relationship. On the other hand, if I am with a close friend I have
known for many years and say something that I think may upset her,
that could be described as being frank or blunt but not as
"letting our hair down" because my reservations about speaking so
bluntly were not due to the reserved nature of the relationship.
Bill
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lesley_jezierny
Sat Apr 12, 2008 10:55 pm (PDT)
Interesting.
As a native English speaker , BrE by birth, with 20+ years in the South-East
USA, I think of this as someone who is generally uptight who lets go of
(typically female) her inhibitions, perhaps drinks a few drinks, dances with
office colleagues -- and maybe regrets it the next day. For me, there's a
definite perception of relaxing among people with whom one generally has a
more formal relationship.
I would never ever think of this as meaning to speak from one's heart.
Hope this helps
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> There is also another meaning to this idiom, a figurative one, to say be
frank,
> to say what is on your mind, to speak from one's heart.
>
> Hayim Y. Sheynin
>
> <mailto:dick_watson%40sil.org> dick_watson at sil.org wrote:
> From western US: relax and be yourself, casual, no airs or cover up.
Literally,
> I visualize a lady with fancy hairdo, letting it all out, au natural.
> Dick
>
> "Fritz Goerling" < <mailto:Fritz_Goerling%40sil.org>
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> I am interested to learn how anglophones (from different parts of the
world) use
> the idiom “to let one’s hair down.”
> Fritz Goerling
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>
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