Plagirism again, please join the discussion on research gate

Thu Apr 3 19:30:09 UTC 2014

The issue for me is that all of this is off topic. Can we please confine
this list to discussion of LFG? If you want to discuss plagiarism, I'm sure
there's a mailing list for that. But it's not this one.

On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Claire Bowern <clairebowern at gmail.com>wrote:

> I think the issue is that just because someone keys your car door,
> that doesn't make it ok to slash their tires.
> Claire
>
> On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Miriam Butt <miriam.butt at uni-konstanz.de>
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > just to weigh in.  I was also quite bemused by Valia's response to
> Stefan's
> > outraged outreach to the communities that are important to him.
> >
> > Sure, it is an uncomfortable thing.  But, that is because plagiarism
> itself
> > is uncomfortable.  if there is suspicion of plagiarism, it should be
> aired
> > and the communities that are impacted should be alerted (i.e., potential
> > reviewers, editors, etc. should be on the look-out).  So I also don't
> think
> > Stefan should be spending time trying to justify himself.
> >
> > What he should definitely do in addition to alerting us, is to alert the
> > university this lady is at and ask for an inquiry.   (it is also
> interesting
> > that her German falters quite a bit in the bits that are not colored in,
> > i.e., that are not from other people --- classic sign of plagiarism).
> >
> > I know of two cases at my university where a PhD was rescinded in
> > retrospect.  One involved fabrication of data, the other involved
> plagiarism
> > from a number of different works.   The dissertation plus a peer-reviewed
> > journal article (!) liberally used stuff from other scholars.   The
> > plagiarism came out when a reviewer who had been asked to review the
> > dissertation as a possible book publication was surprised to be reading
> very
> > familiar words --- the reviewer's own.   The reviewer alerted the
> publisher,
> > who alerted the university, who conducted an inquiry and ended up
> declaring
> > the dissertation invalid.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Miriam
> >
> >
> > On 3/30/14 2:24 PM, Dorothee Beermann wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > After Stefan's posts there seems to be no doubt that this is a case
> > of plagiarism. Discussions of the case, and the presentation of evidence
> add
> > to
> > reveal a case of serious academic misconduct, which if pursued might have
> > serious consequences for -------------.
> >
> >
> > I therefore not only thank Stefan, but also Valia for this discussion
> >
> > It seems to me that ----------------  university is the right
> institution
> > to look into this case.
> >
> > Dorothee
> >
> > PS. I can not detect a gender issue.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Valia, and colleagues,
> >
> > I personally feel (from the first moment I read the original message)
> > extremely uncomfortable that all this sensitive info is being discussed
> on
> > a mailing list, and we are all implicitly/explicitly being asked to pass
> > judgements on the scientific deeds and the quality of such deeds of a
> > (female) person, and to take sides. Is she a member of any of the lists
> > where the original email went to? How can she participate in the
> > discussion and get the chance to defend herself, if there is anything to
> > defend and if she can? I am really sorry to say this. I strongly believe
> > that such issues should be taken to and resolved by justice
> bodies/courts:
> > defaming someone is bad an offence as plagiarism.
> >
> > if this were about defaming and taking sides, I'd fully agree. But the
> > thread instead is about discovering and sharing hard evidence that
> > someone working in the field has systematically copy-pasted an entire
> > paper and apparently more works.
> >
> > How is the research community supposed to react to the publication and
> > electronic distribution of such blatantly plagiarized work if not by
> > making it public? (Relatedly, journals also publish reviews of other
> > publications, publicly pointing out their virtues and shortcomings.)
> > The alternative idea of taking up such an intellectural property
> > rights case in front of a court as far as I'm aware is not a realistic
> > solution (e.g., the IPR violation caused no or minimal financial
> > damage).
> >
> > It seems crucial to alert the linguistics community that more
> > attention apparently needs to be paid to the reality of blatant
> > plagiarism. Until Stefan's post it seemed that nobody would bother to
> > seriously plagiarize in such a highly-focused, academic field (outside
> > of student term papers).
> >
> > Best,
> > Detmar
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > miriam.butt at uni-konstanz.de
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> >
> > "Xander, don't talk Latin in front of the books."
> >        Superstar, Buffy the Vampire Slayer
> >
> > *************************************************************
> >
> >
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