Plagirism again, please join the discussion on research gate

[Valia Kordoni]

Dear Stefan,

thank you for your reply. I strongly suggest that you may forward to the
lists the message which Shalom Lappin sent you (cc'ing me), the one which
for some reason he could not post to the HPSG mailing list. It says it
all, and in a way which finds me in total agreement.

Stefan, (smaller or bigger, it does not matter) communities base their
smooth existence on rules and laws. Whoever has evidence of wrongdoing,
violation, offence against themselves is actually, in my opinion,
*obliged* to seek justice through legal authorities, like, in your case,
the legal department of your university and the university of the other
person, and, if necessary, courts of law.

I am still not clear what it is exactly that you may be seeking through
the series of the relevant to the topic messages to the public lists. To
make the case known to the community so that the community may profit? A
noble aim, one could've said. But the same result you would have
definitely achieved, if you would've gone public after having cleared the
case through the legal channels mentioned above, but also very much better
articulated in the message of Shalom Lappin to you. In the latter case,
you would've presented the community with a undoubtful legal decision.

In such a situation, there would be no reason for anybody to feel
uncomfortable and overwhelmed which is still my situation, since I still
miss the reaction of the other side.

Regards,
Valia

On Sun, March 30, 2014 12:44, Stefan Müller wrote:
> Dear Valia,
>
> I see your point and maybe I overreacted. But on the other hand this is
> such an unbelievable case and I think such cases have to be discussed in
> public. People have to become aware that this is not tolerated and that
> it is not just Germany where two ministers (defense and education) had
> to step down and several other politicians are under investigation.
>
> Please rest assured that I would not have acted differently if she was
> male. Referring to the gender of the accused person in this debate is
> almost an insult to me. I try to be gender-balanced in everything I do
> (for instance Language Science Press [check the board], my staff, ...).
> Even my family is gender-balanced: one boy and one girl and my wife is
> full Professor.
>
> Well, I should remove the "almost".
>
> Furthermore she has a way to respond to the discussion on ResearchGate:
>
> https://www.researchgate.net/post/Shouldnt_this_paper_be_withdrawn_from_researchgate_Plagiarism
>
> Guess what she did when I addded a review and started the discussion:
> She started to follow me. I asked her to unfollow me and so she did. I
> asked her twice to remove the papers, but she did not.
>
> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/255947424_TYPOLOGICA_SEMANTIK_IM_DEUTSCHEN_UND_IM_SPANISCHEN_TOPOLOGISCHE_DEIKTISCHE_UND_DIMENSIONALE_KONZEPTE_DER_LOKALEN_PRPOSITIONEN
>
> She seems to be absolutely unaware of the dimensions of her failure.
>
> If one uploads papers to platforms like RG or academia the purpose is to
> make people read this stuff and discuss it, to get publicity. To build a
> web of trust and respect. This is what RG tries to measure with a score.
> If one plagiarizes somebody elses work, one should be aware of the risk
> that it is discussed on discussion places like RG. If one realizes the
> mistakes one made, one can withdraw a paper.
>
> Using the email lists is basically an effective way to invite people to
> this discussion. Otherwise they may not check there RG accounts and miss
> the opportunity to participate in such exiting debates.
>
> I incorporated Detmar's findings in the annotated document:
>
> --------------------------
>
> Note: If this case would not have become public, we never would have
> learned about these additional cases of plagiarism in this and other
> documents. It takes a lot of time to look into this in detail.
>
> Best wishes
>
>         Stefan
>
>
> PS: For those who do not know me: There is one small portion in this
> email that is not meant seriously.
>
> St.
>
> Am 30.03.14 09:54, schrieb Valia Kordoni:
>> Dear All,
>>
>> I personally feel (from the first moment I read the original message)
>> extremely uncomfortable that all this sensitive info is being discussed
>> on
>> a mailing list, and we are all implicitly/explicitly being asked to pass
>> judgements on the scientific deeds and the quality of such deeds of a
>> (female) person, and to take sides. Is she a member of any of the lists
>> where the original email went to? How can she participate in the
>> discussion and get the chance to defend herself, if there is anything to
>> defend and if she can? I am really sorry to say this. I strongly believe
>> that such issues should be taken to and resolved by justice
>> bodies/courts:
>> defaming someone is bad an offence as plagiarism.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Valia
>
>
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