(6) International Network for Educational Linguistics as a Discipline (INFELAD)

Tue Sep 17 13:22:26 UTC 2002

I thought we had agreed to sign our contributions, C B Paulston

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>From: Educational Linguistics <educational_linguistics at hotmail.com>
>To: lgpolicy-list at ccat.sas.upenn.edu
>Subject: (6) International Network for Educational Linguistics as a Discipline
(INFELAD)
>Date: Tue, Sep 17, 2002, 5:20 AM
>

> Very glad that some of you have eventually started to discuss educational
> linguistics as a discipline. It seems quite helpful to hear Francis's ideas
> borrowed from Halliday's.
>
> However, at a time when multi- and inter-disciplinary studies have not yet
> been very successfully developed, "trans-disciplinary" studies would
> probably meet even more obstacles, I guess. Are scholars currently in
> different disciplines prepared for this trans-disciplinary collaboration in
> different "themes" or "areas"? Disciplinary walls are still high and thick,
> I would say.
>
> I personally find the following link very relevant to this discussion. See
> whether any of you could get some "trans-disciplinary" or "non-disciplinary"
> inspiration from this:
>
> http://un2sg4.unige.ch/athena/raphael/raf_ath4.html
>
> I think it is more important for us to concentrate on academic and
> professional discussions and exploration rather than to find out whether a
> message is written by a school pupil or a university chair if we are going
> to value ideas per se rather than somebody's ideas.
>
> INFELAD
>
> *Please note that this is purely for academic/professional purposes.*
>
>
>
>
>>From: "Bernard Spolsky" <spolsb at mail.biu.ac.il>
>>Reply-To: lgpolicy-list at ccat.sas.upenn.edu
>>To: <lgpolicy-list at ccat.sas.upenn.edu>
>>Subject: RE: (5) International Network for Educational Linguistics as a
>>Discipline (INFELAD)
>>Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 21:52:35 +0200
>>
>>Francis
>>Building a new discipline is a great idea.  But it will probably run into
>>serious institutional problems.  That's why I always took the easy way .
>>But
>>good luck!
>>Bernard Spolsky spolsb at mail.biu.ac.il
>>PS I too would appreciate it if our interrogator non-chair identified
>>him/herself.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-lgpolicy-list at ccat.sas.upenn.edu
>>[mailto:owner-lgpolicy-list at ccat.sas.upenn.edu]On Behalf Of Francis M Hult
>>Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 8:09 PM
>>To: lgpolicy-list at ccat.sas.upenn.edu
>>Subject: Re: (5) International Network for Educational Linguistics as a
>>Discipline (INFELAD)
>>
>>
>>I think we do ourselves a disservice by thinking in terms of an
>>'either-or' distinction.  We should take our cue from Halliday, who has
>>stated of applied linguistics that it should be considered
>>'transdisciplinary' rather than 'inter- or multidisciplinary'
>>"...because the latter terms seem to me to imply that one still retains
>>the disciplines as the locus of intellectual activity, while building
>>bridges between them, or assembling them into a collection; whereas the
>>real alternative is to supercede them, creating new forms of activity
>>which are thematic rather than disciplinary in their orientation."  The
>>same holds true if we are to find educational linguistic inquiry to be of
>>serious value.  To place it within borders will only stifle what we can
>>do with it.  While the themes we address are linguistic and educational,
>>we should by no means consider ourselves limited by either of these
>>domains as disciplines.
>>
>>By the way, I am sorry if I missed the first exchanges of this debate
>>but I am curious, 'educational linguistics,' what your area/context is
>>(who are you, where are you working, what is your background, etc.).
>>
>>Best,
>>Francis M. Hult
>>Educational Linguistics Doctoral Program
>>University of Pennsylvania
>>Graduate School of Education
>>
>>P.S. The above citation is from Halliday, M.A.K. (2001).  New ways of
>>meaning: The challenges to applied linguistics.  In A. Fill and P.
>>Muhlhausler (eds) The Ecolinguistics Reader: Language Ecology and
>>Environment(pp. 175-202).  New York: Continuum.
>> > Thank you for more contribution to the discipline *and* to the (virtual)
>> > network. However, it would be more helpful if people could really begin
>>some
>> > meaningful and relevant discussions, for example, about the relationship
>> > between applied and educational linguistics. All are welcome to
>>contribute
>> > *your* view (which doesn't have to be based on published or
>>authoritative
>> > sources).
>> >
>> > Should educational linguistics belong to LINGUISTICS (like
>> > psycho-linguistics, socio-linguistics, etc) *or* EDUCATION (like
>>educational
>> > psychology, educational philosophy, etc)? What do *you* think?
>> >
>> > As I said, no one should "chair" anything here so it's up to you to
>> > contribute and discuss something related to educational linguistics if
>>you
>> > do care about furthering language and education studies.
>> >
>> > INFELAD
>> >
>> > *Please note that this is purely for academic/professional purposes.*
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > >From: "Nariyo Kono" <nariyo at mindspring.com>
>> > >Reply-To: lgpolicy-list at ccat.sas.upenn.edu
>> > >To: <lgpolicy-list at ccat.sas.upenn.edu>
>> > >Subject: Re: (3) International Network for Educational Linguistics as a
>> > >Discipline
>> > >Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 23:09:13 -0700
>> > >
>> > >Yes, I would support the field.
>> > >My educational background/practices have been useful:
>> > >
>> > >1. when I research within communities; 2. when I challenge traditional
>> > >research paradigms/perspectives.
>> > >
>> > >I think that developing a network like this will be helpful as well.
>>It
>> > >might help us develop effective language policies and planning.  I
>>would
>> > >support the discipline AND the network.
>> > >
>> > >Nariyo Kono, Ph.D.
>> > >Department of Culture and Heritage
>> > >The Confederated Tribes of the
>> > >Warm Springs Reservation of Oregon
>> > >P.O. Box 775 Warm Springs, Oregon 97761
>> > >Phone: (541) 553-2200; Fax: (541) 553-1899
>> > >Department of Applied Linguistics
>> > >Portland State University
>> > >P.O. Box 751 Portland, Oregon 97207-0751
>> > >Email: nariyo at mindspring.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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