DELOCUTIVE

[Frans Plank]

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>Dear Frans,
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>means send it on to the list if you think it's
>relevant. If not, apologies for wasting your time!
>Best,
>Nigel


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>I know Romanists were excluded from responding in
>Frans' original message but it had occurred to me to
>anyway to mention the difference between the pattern
>in Italian and in French, and Gideon's mention of
>'verbal syntagms' (his term) prompts me to do so. In
>French of course there are the delocutive verbs
>'tutoyer' and 'vouvoyer', (a pattern which by the way
>also seems to imply some kind of very restricted
>reduplicative template to account for the alternation
>'-toyer'/'-voyer'). In Italian on the other hand the
>equivalent would be 'dare del tu/voi/lei', literally
>'to give of the 'tu/etc''. The point is that the
>latter pattern, which could be thought of as a
>delocutive periphrasis, can be extended to other
>address forms: e.g. mi ha dato del caro 'he called me
>darling' , cf English 'don't darling me', e.g mi ha
>dato del cretino 'he called me a fool'. Note that this
>is genuinely delocutive. I haven't checked with a
>native speaker, but I'm pretty sure that if A said to
>B that C was a fool, C couldn't felicitously say 'mi
>ha dato del cretino'; that would only be appropriate
>if A said this to C's face. Anyway, excuse the long
>parenthesis from a Romanist but I'm wondering to what
>extent there are in other languages not only
>delocutive morphological patterns of the kind that
>Frans has called attention to but also, as one might
>reasonably expect, corresponding delocutives
>periphrases of the Italian kind.
>Best,
>Nigel
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