AW: Re: Fwd: query: associative plurals via noun-verb disagreement
stolz at UNI-BREMEN.DE
Fri Nov 14 11:40:28 UTC 2008
Hi everybody out there!
This is perhaps miles beside the point. However, following your discussion
closely, some other instances of noun-verb agreement have come to my mind.
They are no instances of associative plurals, I guess. What I am thinking of
Los vascos somos todos n obles
Det.M.Pl Basque.M.Pl be.1Pl all.M.Pl noble.Pl
'We Basque are all noble(men).'
where the finite verb inflects for 1st person plural and agrees with a NP
which normally invites an association with a 3rd person plural. A
construction of this kind is ungrammatical in German (unless, in spoken
German, there is strong topicalisation i.e. a clear intonation break after
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Maltese confirmed by Michael Spagnol, whose
dialect is mutually understandable with Ray
Fabri's also in other respects (i.e., he doesn't
hail from Gozo; and it's definitely not
Alemannic interference, because Alemannic
certainly does NOT have this sort of thing):
>Yes, there is something of the sort. For example:
>1) Omm-i sejr-a l-Belt illum
>mother-1SG going-3SG.F DEF.city today
>'(my) Mum is going to Valletta today'
>2) Omm-i sejr-in l-Belt illum
>mother-1SG going-3PL DEF.city today
>'(my) Mum and dad (or and my sister, or her
>friend, depending on context) are going to
>Another example could be:
>3) Josianne mhux gejj-in jiekl-u
>Josianne not coming-3PL eat-3PL
>'Josianne and her husband (boyfriend, or people
>she's usually with) are not coming for dinner'
>As the subject, one usually selects the most
>prominent person of the group, such as a leader,
>or the closest person to the speaker or
>addressee (e.g. my sister (and her husband) are
>not coming rather than her husband (and my
>sister) are not coming for dinner.
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