Response to Haspelmath

Bill Palmer Bill.Palmer at NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU
Tue Jan 19 01:14:02 UTC 2010


Dear Martin

Thanks for those helfpul comments. I agree that some, perhaps many, aspects of languages are functional in a way that does not reflect any underlying specifically linguistic mental structure. However, I don't see functional explanations and an underlying mental grammar as an unbridgable dichotomy in the way I infer (perhaps incorrectly) from your remarks. I imagine that some aspects of languages are entirely structural and instantiate underlying mental grammar, while others are functional and are not manifestations of a mental grammar at all. But I suspect that a great many aspects of language are functionally motivated *and* built into an underlying mental architecture (in fact built into the architecture precisely because they are functionally required). Or to put it another way, a considerable part of the underlying architecture of language is functionally motivated and requires attention to functional issues to properly understand.

It may be that typology is concerned with others matters in addition to those relating to the goal of modelling the underlying mental structure of language. However, if we assume that such a mental architecture exists, then typology has a crucial role to play in the investigation of that.  We could take an alternative view - that there is no specifically linguistic mental structure, and that language is the result of something else, such as the complex interaction of a set of generalised cognitive functions. (If we do take that view, I must say I can't see why a separate discipline of linguistics is appropriate, but that's another matter.) If we do want to take that view we need to be up front about it, and say our definition of typology applies in a perspective in which no underlying specifically linguistic modality exists. On the other hand if we want to assume that there is a specifically linguistic modality, then the goal of linguistics must at least in part be to model that.

In a nutshell, I am not saying that the modelling of underlying mental structure can account for everything in language. However, if it is to account for anything, then it can't do so without typology telling it what that anything is.

best
Bill

Dr Bill Palmer
Convenor, Pacific Languages Research Group
Linguistics Research Higher Degree and Honours coordinator
School of Humanities and Social Science
University of Newcastle
Callaghan NSW 2308
Australia
email bill.palmer at newcastle.edu.au
>>> Martin Haspelmath <haspelmath at eva.mpg.de> 18/01/10 10:32 PM >>>
Thanks, Bill, for this clear and succinct statement.

But unfortunately, not all linguists agree with it: Many would say that
typology is of little relevance to modelling the structure of language in
the mind ("formal theory"), because most universals seem to have functional
explanations and are not due to any restrictions on the mental grammars that
we can acquire and represent mentally. As is shown by the natural
acquisition of language games and artificial languages, as well as by
artificial learning experiments, we can acquire a lot more than we normally
find in natural languages.

In generative linguistics, the role of "formal theory" is "modelling the
underlying mental structure of language in such a way that it allows for all
attested languages, while not predicting the unattested languages", but on a
functional approach, predicting unattested languages falls on "functional
theory".

Greetings,
Martin

P.S. I have written about these matters in my 2004 article (Haspelmath,
Martin. 2004. Does linguistic explanation presuppose linguistic description?
Studies in Language 28. 554-579.)


On 18/01/2010 02:15, "Bill Palmer" <Bill.Palmer at NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU> wrote:

> Dear Yuri
> 
> I see the role of typology in the following way. The core research agenda of
> linguistics is to model the structure of language in the mind. A language is a
> set of almost entirely identical structural systems in the minds of each of
> its speakers, and every language is somehow an instantiation of the underlying
> mental language capacity.
> 
> Four layers of research activity contribute to this core agenda: formal
> theory, typology, description, and documentation. Modelling the structure of
> language in the mind is the role of formal theory. However, to do this, formal
> theory depends on typology and description: in different ways, each tells
> formal theory what it must attempt to account for. Theories of language cannot
> be adequate if they are not based on an understanding of what occurs in
> language, both in terms of the range of possibilites across languages, and the
> details of structures within individual languages. The central role of
> typology is to provide the former, and description the latter. Typology is
> about understanding the boundaries around the possible in language.
> 
> Typology does this in three ways: 1) by identifying the full range of what is
> possible in each area of language structure by observing it in an actual
> language or languages; 2) more problematically, by inferring that some
> logically possible structures cannot occcur, on the basis of observing their
> complete absence from any actual language (although this may result from an
> accidental gap - such structures may exist in languages as yet undescribed, or
> in languages that became extinct last week or a thousand years ago, or will
> evolve out of a currently existing language - and attempting to distinguish
> between impossible structures and accidental gaps is also an issue facing
> typology as well as formal theory); and 3) also problematically, by
> determining which structures are universal, which common, and which rare.
> Formal theory then has the role of modelling the underlying mental structure
> of language in such a way that it allows for all of 1), while not predicting
> any of 2), and hopefully also accounting for 3) (particularly how a structure
> can be possible, but be what Corbett calls "vanishingly rare").
> 
> The role of language description is to provide as detailed as possible a
> description of the possible and impossible structures and their functions in
> individual languages. This provides formal theory with the very detailed data
> it needs to build thorough models, but it also provides typology with adequate
> descriptions on which to base its generalisations. Good description is
> theoretically and typologically informed, but should not in itself have a
> theoretical or typological focus (although good descriptive work often also
> results in research that address theoretical or typological issues).
> 
> So, formal theory depends on good typology and on good description, and
> typology also depends on good description. Description in turn depends on good
> documentation: as in any science, the more detailed, extensive and accurate
> the raw data, the more accurate the description of the phenomenon under
> observation, and ultimately the more adequate the theories developed on the
> basis of that data.
> 
> cheers
> Bill
> 
> 
> Dr Bill Palmer
> Convenor, Pacific Languages Research Group
> Linguistics Research Higher Degree and Honours coordinator
> School of Humanities and Social Science
> University of Newcastle
> Callaghan NSW 2308
> Australia
> email bill.palmer at newcastle.edu.au
>>>> Yuri Tambovtsev <yutamb at MAIL.RU> 16/01/10 10:57 PM >>>
> Dear Typology colleagues, reading journals on typology I came to a conclusion
> that different linguists and edotors understand typology in their own way. It
> especially concerns editors who may return a manuscript on the pretext that it
> is not on typology. Therefore, it occurred to me to discuss the term
> "typology" in order to realise how it is understood in modern linguistics.
> Looking forward to receiving your definitions to yutamb at mail.ru  Yours
> sincerely Yuri Tambovtsev
> 
> 



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