Adjective-Noun order

[Claire Bowern]

To get us out of Romance, Bardi (Nyulnyulan, Australian) has the same
semantic distribution of Adj N vs N Adj that Spanish does. cf moorrooloo
aarli 'small fish' vs aarli moorrooloo 'fish, which are small'.
Claire


On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 7:27 PM, Daniel Hieber <dwhieb at gmail.com> wrote:

> Being a feature of Romance languages, it's of course no surprise that
> Latin exhibits this as well. Typically in Latin the adjective follows the
> noun, except in cases where the adjective indicates quantity or size (and
> Wikipedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_grammar#Word_order> adds
> beauty, goodness, or truth). Thus:
>
> magna urbs
> large city
>
> cīvēs laetī
> citizens happy
>
> In Spanish this is more semantically-conditioned than lexical. Restrictive
> / classificational uses tend to come after the noun, while nonrestritive /
> qualificational senses come before:
>
> amigo viejo 'friend who is old'
> viejo amigo 'old/dear/longtime friend'
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Hartmut Haberland <hartmut at ruc.dk> wrote:
>
>> There are also a number of non-loans which can be used such in German,
>> especially in expressions for food:
>>
>> Forelle blau (slightly boiled with vinegar or white wine added to the
>> water, same as French truite au bleu; also Karpfen blau)
>> Aal satt (as much eel as you can eat)
>>
>> I suspect many of them are fixed collocations rather than productive
>> constructions.
>>
>> Less common in Danish:
>>
>> latte to go: a caffe latte to be consumed outside the premises
>>
>> Hartmut Haberland
>>
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>> vegne af Jan Wohlgemuth [jan at LINGUIST.DE]
>> Sendt: 19. februar 2013 18:40
>> Til: LINGTYP at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG
>> Emne: Re: Adjective-Noun order
>>
>> Dear Jennifer,
>> in German, the order changed, or rather became less flexible in Old High
>> German. Modern German only has a few adjectives that can "violate" the
>> rule of Adj-N and follow the noun while being uninflected:
>>
>> purer Spaß              : Spaß pur
>> pure.M.Nom.Sg. fun      : fun pure
>>
>> It only works with a handful of adjectives; many -if not most- of them
>> are loanwords e.g. (pur, light, live, online)
>>
>> Best,
>> Jan
>>
>>
>> Am 19.02.2013 17:55, schrieb Jennifer Culbertson:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > I'm interested in examples of languages which have lexically-determined
>> > exceptions to a general adjective placement rule. A very well-documented
>> > example is French, in which adjectives are generally post-nominal but a
>> > (small) lexically-determined set can be pre-nominal. Do you know of
>> other
>> > examples?
>> >
>> > I'm also interested in whether anyone knows of any typological work
>> which
>> > might suggest whether this kind of variation is more common for
>> adjectives
>> > compared to numerals (or vice versa). I know of cases in which the
>> > placement of the numerals one and/or two differ from other numerals,
>> but I
>> > don't have a sense for how common that is.
>> >
>> > Thanks in advance for your help!
>> >
>> > Jennifer Culbertson
>> > Assistant Professor
>> > Linguistics Program
>> > George Mason University
>> >
>>
>>
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