accusative + analytical DO markers

[Sergey Lyosov]

 Dear Giorgio,
no, I believe the mention of Ge'ez is misplaced in your post. Ge'ez does show the preposition "la-" as a differential object marker (like numerous Aramaic and Arabic varieties), but in Ge'ez it is incompatible with the  
accusative ending -a (the only overt case ending in the singular). This is because "la-" is still felt to be a preposition, and prepositions are not compatible with the accusative in those Semitic languages that have case endings.
  With all best wishes,
  Sergey 


Вторник, 28 мая 2013, 12:29 +02:00 от Giorgio Iemmolo <giorgio.iemmolo at UZH.CH>:
>Dear all,
>
>as far as I know, the co-occurrence of two accusative markers seems to be extremely rare cross-linguistically.  If we exclude cases in which an accusative marker, like "a" is Romance, occurs in conjunction with accusative pronominal forms, the only cases I am aware of are the following ones:
>
>1. Huangshui Chinese, where the older differential object marker pa (cognate with the well-known Mandarin Chinese ba) is being gradually supplanted by another marker "xa", which most of the time  seems to co-occur with pa. Interestingly, xa is the general topic marker in Huangshui Chinese (Dede 2007).
>
>2. Classical Armenian, where the differential object marker z- occurs with accusative plural marking (even though the situation seems to be rather fluid, see Meillet 1903: 90-91);
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>3. Ge'ez (Classical Ethiopian), which shows both the preposition "la-" as a differential object marker, plus an accusative ending -a which survives from the old Semitic system. 
>
>If you're looking for cases where the two markers do not have to co-occur, then it is probably easier to find more examples like Biloxi (cf. Matthew Dryer's Daniel Hieber's emails), which might indeed be a case of DOM where a topic marker was reanalysed as a differential object marker with direct objects, a fact that doesn't seem to be as uncommon as one might think. 
>
>As for the co-occurrence of accusative case-marking with indexation, such as clitic doubling in Romance. I would be very cautious to compare the two and consider them alike: when historical data is available, we often see that the two constructions, albeit closely related in terms of governing parameters, do not develop at the same time. Also from a pure synchronic perspective, the overlap between the two is not complete even in languages which are usually taken as chief examples of such a co-occurrence, e.g. different Spanish varieties. 
>All the very best,
>
>Giorgio
>
>Il giorno 27-mag-2013, alle ore 19:23, Daniel W. Hieber ha scritto:
>
>> Sergej, Matthew,
>> 
>> I just wanted to pass along this note from David Kaufmann, PhD candidate at the University of Kansas, regarding the postpositions in Biloxi, a language he's done some work with. Something to consider when looking at the Biloxi data.
>> 
>> best,
>> 
>> Danny
>> 
>> Omnis habet sua dona dies. ~ Martial
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>>> From: David Kaufman < dvkanth2010 at gmail.com >
>>> Date: May 27, 2013, 1:05:35 PM EDT
>>> To: "Daniel W. Hieber" < dwhieb at gmail.com >
>>> Subject: Re: accusative + analytical DO markers
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Danny!  Here is my response:
>>> 
>>> Dear Sergej and Matthew:
>>> 
>>> I'm not convinced that yaNka(N) is a postposition in Biloxi.  It may simply be the -yaN topic marker (definite article) + kaN switch reference (different subject/topic) marker.  Einaudi hadn't done a great job figuring out all of the supposed suffixes in Biloxi.  The only sure way I know of marking "accusative" or direct object "case" in Biloxi is via the -kaN or -k suffix.  But even this is seldom used in Biloxi texts, so I'm always hesitant to call it a "case," since it appears to be subject to speaker preference (perhaps stylistic) and not required as are cases in, for instance, Russian or Latin.
>>> 
>>> David Kaufman
>>> University of Kansas
>>>  dvkanth2010 at gmail.com
>
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