[Lingtyp] Universal trend: biclausal -> monoclausal?

[Paul Hopper]

Google gives us a great opportunity to check these kinds of things without guesswork. Entering the phrase "want to not" yields thousands of examples, including some explicit discussion of "want to not", "want not to", etc. on the correct grammar sites. It's surprising how many 'starred' sentences turn out to be quite common in actual usage.


- Paul

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Paul J. Hopper
Paul Mellon Distinguished Professor Emeritus of Humanities
Department of English
Carnegie Mellon University
Pittsburgh PA 15213, USA
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Subject: Re: [Lingtyp] Universal trend: biclausal -> monoclausal?

Dear Everyone,

I'll add to this, I'm also a native speaker of English, and I also think that 'I want to not make a mistake' is perfectly fine.

It is even better for me, however, if I say something like 'I very much want to not make a mistake'

As a slight digression, many years ago in India, after several hours of blackout, I remember saying "I am thinking that the line will not come" (Line = electricity) and at that moment the power came on! In Australia I would have said "I don't think the power will come." (except that we don't get quite as many blackouts here).

Stephen


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Hi Martin



I’m a native speaker of English and “I want to not make a mistake” is absolutely fine, not even borderline or questionable for me.



Best

Bill



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Dear Martin,

Regarding your negability test, I am a non-native speaker of English so take this with a grain of salt but your “I want[/would like] to not make [any] mistake[s]” doesn’t sound so bad to me (perhaps with some emphatic intonation on the negator).

And a collocation with a modal “could” and two negators (e.g. “I could not not come”) is totally possible for me (with some emphatic intonation on the second negator). It seems like at least in the COCA corpus, this is attested (n=10):



Best,
Jorge

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On Nov 30, 2018, at 5:01 AM, Martin Haspelmath <haspelmath at shh.mpg.de<mailto:haspelmath at shh.mpg.de>> wrote:



On 29.11.18 00:30, Adam James Ross Tallman wrote:

It seems to be generally true that biclausal structures can become monoclausal structures over time and not the reverse.



This is indeed an interesting observation that has not been discussed very widely, I think. Harris & Campbell (1995) (in their book on diachronic syntax) discuss such phenomena at some length, but they don't seem to explain the unidirectionality. So it would be nice to see a convincing explanation.



But in order to make this claim fully testable, one needs a general definition of "clause", and I don't know of a very good definition. My working definition is in terms of negatability: If a structure that contains two verbs can be negated in two different ways, it's biclausal, but otherwise it's monoclausal:



She was able [to do it]. (biclausal)



(She was not able to do it / She was able not to do it)



She could do it. (monoclausal)



(She could not do it – there is no contrast between "she could [not do it]" and "she could not [do it]")



This indicates that "want" clauses are monoclausal in English, because "I want to not make a mistake" sounds bad. But the judgements are subtle, and one may perhaps even have something like "The king ordered the non-destruction of the city" (vs. "The king didn't order the distruction of the city", which is normally considered monoclausal).



So the negation criterion isn't very good, but I know of no better way of distinguishing in general between monoclausal and biclausal constructions.



Martin



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