[Lingtyp] Temporal features?

Bill Palmer bill.palmer at newcastle.edu.au
Thu Oct 4 22:07:09 UTC 2018

Hi Peter

The Sasak system does sound very interesting. I’d be very glad to see your draft paper if you would send it to me.


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On 4 Oct 2018, at 11:42 pm, Peter Austin <pa2 at soas.ac.uk<mailto:pa2 at soas.ac.uk>> wrote:

Dear colleagues

I have worked on the deictic system of Sasak, spoken on Lombok island, east of Bali, which also has a prominent volcano like Bali island.

Sasak has 4 systems for cardinal directional terms, involving 180 degree flip of 'towards the mountains' and 'towards the sea' like in Balinese, but also rotation of timuq 'east' and baret 'west' through 90 degrees in two of the systems. Therefore, geographic north can be any of lauq, daye, baret or timuq depending on where on Lombok one is located.

If you are interested I can share a draft discussion paper with you. Best wishes,


On Thu, 4 Oct 2018 at 03:50, Bill Palmer <bill.palmer at newcastle.edu.au<mailto:bill.palmer at newcastle.edu.au>> wrote:
Hi Mike

Alice beat me to it with those refs. The 1998 Wassmann & Dasen paper contains a detailed account including mapping of directional axes at the eastern tip of Bali, which does cause various reocnfigurations of the system you described.


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Subject: Re: [Lingtyp] Temporal features?

Dear all,

About Balinese orientation device, you may read Wassermann & Dasen papers.

- Balinese Spatial Orientation: Some Empirical Evidence of Moderate Linguistic Relativity
Author(s): Jurg Wassmann and Pierre R. Dasen
Source: The Journal of the Royal Anthropological Institute, Vol. 4, No. 4 (Dec., 1998), pp. 689- 711
Published by: Royal Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and Ireland  (accessible on JSTOR)

- Dasen, P. R., & Wassmann, J., 2008,  « A cross-cultural comparison of spatial language and encoding in Bali and Geneva ». In N. Srinivasan, A. K. Gupta & J. Pandey (Eds.), Advances in cognitive science (pp. 264-276). New Delhi: Sage.


Le 3 oct. 2018 à 09:31, Mike Morgan <mwmbombay at gmail.com<mailto:mwmbombay at gmail.com>> a écrit :

In South Bali, north and south are kaja and kelod respectively; on the north (Denpasar for example) of the island (Singaraja for example) it is the opposite; east and west however are the same (sunrise and sunset don't change directions based on whether one is on the north or south of the central peak(s).
I have never spent enough time in the eats or west ends of the island to know what their system is (since applying the standard Balinese system would make, for example, Kaja (mountainward) ALSO the direction of sunset.

Alice Vittrant
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