[Lingtyp] history of linguistics: phonological word

Mon Jan 21 21:18:28 UTC 2019

Juergen  - I also found that reference of Pike's to Hockett and decided
that he was referring to something else. I think that this was a more
surfacy notion than the one that Pike ultimately argued for--after all, he
allowed grammar to affect phonology :-)!

On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 1:03 PM Bohnemeyer, Juergen <jb77 at buffalo.edu>
wrote:

> I was also thinking Pike. Turns out I was wrong. Pike (1952: 110) cites a
> definition of the term by Hockett:
>
> Kenneth L. Pike (1952) More on Grammatical Prerequisites, WORD, 8:2,
> 106-121, DOI: 10.1080/00437956.1952.11659425
>
> https://tinyurl.com/ycm8nntc
>
> Unfortunately, I’m not able make sense of the system Pike uses for
> attribution in that article, so I can’t say what paper of Hockett’s he’s
> citing ;-) I’m sure we have people on this list who have some familiarity
> with structuralist era citation conventions…
>
> Note also that Hockett’s definition is super-simple and super-general and
> doesn’t necessarily capture what I was taught to think of as the essence of
> the phonological word, namely, that it encompasses clitics and their hosts:
>
> > But it is also possible to define a PHONOLOGICAL WORD: any stretch of
> phonemes which occurs as a whole utterance, and which cannot be broken into
> two or more shorter stretches which also so occur, quite regardless of
> meanings.
>
> This seems to presuppose a very technical definition of ‘utterance’ that
> isn’t immediately obvious to me.
>
> I think what we’re seeing here may be an example of a more general
> phenomenon of terminological evolution: terms (labels) and concepts travel
> somewhat independently through time, bump into one another at certain
> points in time, stick together for a while, and then possibly break up
> again.
>
> Best — Juergen
>
>
>
> > On Jan 21, 2019, at 3:02 PM, Larry M. HYMAN <hyman at berkeley.edu> wrote:
> >
> > Not sure if everyone was similarly influenced, but this confirms my
> belief that Kenneth Pike either originated or was the most consistent
> proponent not only of the phonological word but of the phonological
> hierarchy subsequently adopted by others. See for example the following
> article which focuses on the phonological word in Otomí. Although later
> than those cited by Matthew (1968) refers back to Pike in footnote 3 (p.77):
> >
> > "The hierarchical concept untilized in the present discussion is based
> upon Kenneth Pike's theory (1954-60)."
> >
> > Wallis, Ethel E. 1968. The word and the phonological hierarchy of
> Mezquital Otomí. Language 44.76-90.
> >
> > Pike, Kenneth L. 1954 (vol. 1), 1955 (vol.2), 1960 (vol.3). Language in
> relation to a unified theory of the structure of human behavior Glendale:
> Summer Institute of Linguistics.
> >
> > I haven't gone back to check these works (or the Mouton book that came
> out a little later), but I suspect the winning lower bid is 1954, at least
> thus far.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 11:47 AM Dryer, Matthew <dryer at buffalo.edu>
> wrote:
> > The three earliest uses of the expression phonological word that I am
> aware of are in
> >
> >
> >
> > Healey, Alan. (1964) The Ok Language Family in New Guinea. Australian
> National University doctoral dissertation.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > “There is a close, but > not perfect, correlation between the
> phonological and grammatical word.”
> >
> > (Miller, Wick R. (1965) Acoma grammar and texts (University of
> California Publications in Linguistics 40). Berkeley and Los Angeles:
> University of California Press.)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > “The phonological word has a stronger decrescendo of speed and
> intensity, and sometimes of pitch than does the stress group. In slow
> speech the phonological word usually corresponds with a grammatical word so
> that their decrescendos overlap, but in fast speech several stress groups
> with their included, mild decrescendos”
> >
> > (Eastman, Elizabeth & Robert Eastman. (1963) Iquito syntax. In Studies
> in Peruvian Indian Languages 1, 145-192. Summer Institute of Linguistics.)
> >
> >
> >
> > Matthew
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org> on behalf of
> TasakuTsunoda <tasakutsunoda at nifty.com>
> > Date: Monday, January 21, 2019 at 2:11 AM
> > To: Adam James Ross Tallman <ajrtallman at utexas.edu>, "
> LINGTYP at listserv.linguistlist.org" <LINGTYP at listserv.linguistlist.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Lingtyp] history of linguistics: phonological word
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Adam,
> >
> >
> >
> >     Please see the following book:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >         Lyons, John. 1968. Introduction to theoretical linguistics.
> Cambridge: Cambridge University Press.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Pp68-70 have the following subsection:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >         2.2.11 Grammatical and phonological words
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> >
> >
> > Tasaku Tsunoda
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 送信元: Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org> (Adam James
> Ross Tallman <ajrtallman at utexas.edu> の代理)
> > 日付: 2019年1月20日日曜日 7:44
> > 宛先: <LINGTYP at listserv.linguistlist.org>
> > 件名: [Lingtyp] history of linguistics: phonological word
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm trying to trace the roots of the development of the concept of
> "phonological word". Does anyone know who first used this term? The
> earliest I can find is Dixon's (1977) grammar of Yidin. What about
> "prosodic word"?
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm aware that the roots of the idea can be found much earlier than when
> the concept was first mentioned, but I'm interested in the implicit analogy
> between a morphosyntactic constituency and phonological constituency and
> how, when and why that entered linguistics.
> >
> >
> >
> > Any help would be appreciated.
> >
> >
> >
> > best,
> >
> >
> >
> > Adam
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Adam J.R. Tallman
> >
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> >
> >
> >
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