[Lingtyp] “Rear=North” in Mainland Northeast Asia

[JOO, Ian [Student]]

Yes, they are etymologically related, like I said, but not synchronically so.

Regards,
Ian
On 25 Dec 2020, 9:56 PM +0800, LIU Danqing <liudanq at yahoo.com>, wrote:
Dear Ian:

  I am wondering why you said 'except Mandarin"?

  In modern Mandarin, north is bei3 (北）， and the back (of a person, an animal or a house) is bei4 (背）.


  They are tightly related in several ways.

  Every philologist of classic Chinese knows that they have the same etymology. In dictionary of etymology, they appear under one and the same entry.

  They have similar pronunciations, with the same syllable and different tones.

   In terms of Chinese characters, bei3 北 (north) describes a situation where two persons are sitting back to back, facing the opposite directions. And the character bei4 背 (back) consists of two parts, '北’(north) + 月 （here means the category of flesh, body）

  Semantically, 北 bei3 (north) has a verb usage denoting 'to run back from the battlefields after being defeated', it means one runs away with his back to the enemy.

  Culturally, Chinese houses always face south, and the main seats in each room face south too. It means when you stand in front of your door or sit in a room, south is to your face and north is to your back.

  So, for every reason, back and north are etymologically related tightly in in any varieties of Chinese.


Danqing


On Friday, December 25, 2020, 2:30:39 PM GMT+8, JOO, Ian [Student] <ian.joo at connect.polyu.hk> wrote:


Dear typologists,

I am currently working on a doctoral project focusing on the areality of Mainland Northeast Asia (Korea, Mongolia, Northeast China, but not Japan, Russian Far East, or Southern/Western China).
One of the interesting possible areal features of MNEA languages (Tuvan, Manchu, Korean, Mandarin, and Mongolian) that I’ve found is that these five languages, except Mandarin, can express “North” with the word meaning “rear; back; behind”. Please see the map:
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(Note that, in Mandarin, bei 北 `North’ and bei 背 `back; backside’ differ only in tone, and are etymologically related)
I’m curious if this polysemy exists in other areas as well, and if so, what would be the motivation? (Historical? Cultural? Religious? Cognitive? Climatic?)

Regards,
Ian
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