[Lingtyp] How do typologists use examples in grammars?
Nick Thieberger
thien at unimelb.edu.au
Tue Jun 1 19:45:14 UTC 2021
An important additional matter related to examples is that they cite their
source and status. Ideally this is a reference to the media in which they
were recorded, located in a language archive. Their status could include
what kind of discourse they occur in, who the speaker was (anonymised if
necessary) and if the example was elicited or came from narratives,
experimental stimuli and so on.
And any subsequent use of that example should retain the links back to the
primary records to avoid the notorious second and third life of example
sentences to illustrate a particular grammatical point.
See a more detailed discussion here:
Andrea L. Berez-Kroeker, Lauren Gawne, Susan Smythe Kung, Barbara F. Kelly,
Tyler Heston, Gary Holton, Peter Pulsifer, David I. Beaver, Shobhana
Chelliah, Stanley Dubinsky, Richard P. Meier, Nick Thieberger, Keren Rice
and Anthony C. Woodbury. 2018. Reproducible research in linguistics: A
position statement on data citation and attribution in our field.
Linguistics. Volume 56 Issue 1.
https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/ling-2017-0032/html
Nick
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On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 05:13, Juergen Bohnemeyer <jb77 at buffalo.edu> wrote:
> Dear Florian and Eline — I don’t disagree with brevity as a default
> principle, but I want to point out a very important exception to this:
>
> When an example is supposed to illustrate a semantic or pragmatic
> property/phenomenon, it is often crucial that the context in which the
> utterance was observed is made explicit. If that does not happen, the
> author’s translation becomes the only representation of the
> semantic/pragmatic property in question, which renders the example
> essentially useless. I’m pointing this out because I still see it happen
> far too often.
>
> Let me illustrate, beginning with an example of the practice I’m
> criticizing:
>
> (1) Ts’o’k in=mèet-ik le=nah=o’
> TERM A1SG=do:APP-INC(B3SG) DEF=house=D2
> ‘I (will) have/had built the house’
>
> Suppose you want to use (1) to show that this Yucatec utterance is
> tenseless, i.e., can be used with reference/topic times in the present,
> past, or future of utterance time. As it is, (1) illustrates this solely
> through the translation. But the translation wasn’t observed - it’s my
> interpretation, and I’m not an L1 speaker of the language! My translation
> is not admissible as evidence of the competence and practices of Yucatec
> speakers.
>
> So what to do? Well, if I want to be able to claim that (1) can be used
> with reference/topic times in the present, past, or future of utterance
> time, then I had first of all better observed it in all of these kinds of
> contexts. And of course, I have - in elicitation.
>
> Now, one way to make the context explicit is by paraphrasing it:
>
> (2) [Context for future topic time: Jorge will soon return to his country.
> He knows
> that Pedro wants to build a house. But he doesn’t know whether he will be
> able to
> do it. He sees Pedro in the street and asks him. Pedro responds: ‘When you
> return
> next year, ...]
>
> Ts’o’k in=mèet-ik le=nah=o’
> TERM A1SG=do:APP-INC(B3SG) DEF=house=D2
> ‘I will have built the house’
>
> (3) [Context for past topic time: Jorge had learned that Pedro had built a
> house. He
> asked him whether the house was new. Pedro responded: ‘When you came here
> two years ago, ...]
>
> Ts’o’k in=mèet-ik le=nah=o’
> TERM A1SG=do:APP-INC(B3SG) DEF=house=D2
> ‘I had built the house’
>
> (4) [Context for present topic time: Jorge has just arrived in the village
> of Yaxley. He
> has been away for two years. He knew that Pedro wanted to build a house,
> but he
> didn’t know whether he was able to do it. He sees Pedro in the street and
> asks
> him. Pedro responds:]
>
> Ts’o’k in=mèet-ik le=nah=o’
> TERM A1SG=do:APP-INC(B3SG) DEF=house=D2
> ‘I have built the house’
>
> This example is a bit elaborate, and often, the example you want to cite
> come from recorded texts or spontaneous observation, so there’s only one
> context per sentence - obviously, observing a single sentence or phrase
> across a variety of contexts is something that usually only happens in
> elicitation.
>
> The second method of making the context explicit is of course to reproduce
> the context itself in the target language. However, to the extent that
> information about the nonverbal = situational context matters for the
> interpretation of an example, a metalanguage description is usually the
> only option.
>
> To reiterate: I’m not suggesting that we always include the context in our
> examples. I am, however, suggesting that we always do so when we are
> attempting to illustrate a semantic or pragmatic property that requires
> information about the context to as evidence that the utterance in question
> indeed had the purported meaning.
>
> This has become standard practice in the semantic literature on lesser
> studied languages, but it still needs to be adopted more among linguists
> more broadly.
>
> Best — Juergen
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 1, 2021, at 2:35 PM, Florian Matter <florian.matter at isw.unibe.ch>
> wrote:
> >
> > 1. for the purpose of illustrating a particular phenomenon: shorter is
> better, since the relevant part(s) will form a bigger part of the presented
> material.
> > 2. -
> > 3. -
> > 4. brevity, as unproblematic glossing as possible
> > 5. clearly 5/5 — if they exist!
> >
> > Best,
> > Florian
> >
> >
> > On 1 June 2021 at 19:30:35, Eline Visser (eelienu at pm.me) wrote:
> >
> >> Dear typologists,
> >>
> >> I’d like to learn more about how you use the examples given in
> grammars. I have just finished a grammar myself, and will continue to do
> descriptive work in the future, and this is a topic that fascinates me. I'm
> especially interested in knowing if one can discern the traits of a good
> example (for typological use). I’d be glad if some of you could take the
> time to answer the questions below, either briefly or elaborately. You can
> email me the answers. Also, if there’s is anything published on this topic
> please do let me know.
> >>
> >> 1. In general, do you prefer short (let’s say <1 line) or longer (> 1
> line) examples? Elaborate if you wish.
> >>
> >> 2. In general, do you have a preference for examples from a certain
> genre? Which? You can interpret genre broadly or narrowly, in which ever
> way you like: monologue, dialogue, anecdotes, recipes, hymns,
> picture-matching tasks…
> >>
> >> 3. In general, do you have a dispreference for examples of a certain
> genre?
> >>
> >> 4. Say you have two examples that illustrate your point equally well.
> What could be a deciding factor for choosing one over another?
> >>
> >> 5. Say you can’t find an example that illustrates your point well. On a
> scale from 1-5, how likely is it that you will go to the language’s corpus
> or the attached texts in the grammar to find one yourself? (1= very
> unlikely, 5 = very likely)
> >>
> >> 6. Anything else you’d like to share about examples in grammars? Feel
> free to rant.
> >>
> >> Eline
> >>
> >> P.s. For those who ordered a Kalamang grammar hard copy - they’re in
> Sweden, I’m in Norway, traveling isn’t as easy as I thought yet, so this
> takes a bit longer than I thought, sorry!
> >>
> >>
> >>
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