[Lingtyp] language contact, grammatical borrowing, the case of
Pegah Faghiri
p.faghiri at uva.nl
Mon Jan 27 12:56:47 UTC 2025
Dear Mohammad,
I believe the evolution of the verbal lexicon in Modern Persian is complex and multifactorial. Heavy borrowing from Arabic has certainly played an important role, but it seems that the process started before. I have a related paper where you may find relevant literature about the development of the Modern Persian's lexicon departing from Middle Persian: https://academic.oup.com/book/39752/chapter-abstract/339813455?redirectedFrom=fulltext&login=false It is not open access publication but I am attaching my last draft. The paper is more of sociolinguistic topic, but there are linguistic data and reference to diachronic studies.
Best,
Pegah
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Dear Sergey,
I don't think this refers to the past domain (or at least not specifically), but in Nikoaeva & Tolskaya's grammar of Udihe (p.253), the perfect is described as having focus (or maybe thetic/all-new information marking?) as one of its main function. Nothing particularly surprising, I suppose, but anyway.
Ref.
Nikolaeva, Irina and Tolskaya, Maria. 2001. A Grammar of Udihe, Berlin, New York: De Gruyter Mouton. https://doi.org/10.1515/9783110849035
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Riccardo
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Dear colleagues,
Are you aware of languages in which PERFECT is used to encode mainly the focus/comment/rheme in functional sentence perspective, within the past-time domain? Or maybe you are familiar with some literature on the subject?
Thank you very much!
Sergey
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Dear Friends,Persian has lost most of its simple verbs in the past 12 centuries gradually and the number of its simple verbs is less than 250 in modern era. Instead, it normally makes compound verbs to refer to actions. This language was heavily affected by Arabic in the last 12 centuries and it borrowed many words from this language.My question is: Could we assume that contact with Arabic has caused the decrease of producing/using simple verbs in Persian? Do you know any similar case of language contact effects in other languages??Thanks,Mohammad? ??
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Dear Mohammad,
Here is my opinion:
If the non-verbal component of a compound verb originates from Arabic,
And
If it is the case for many of these verbs (as I think about it, it seems so),
Then yes, I believe we can relate this to contact influence.
I myself am eager to know about similar cases in other languages.
All the best,
Zahra
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Subject: [Lingtyp] language contact, grammatical borrowing, the case of simple verbs in Persian
Dear Friends,
Persian has lost most of its simple verbs in the past 12 centuries gradually and the number of its simple verbs is less than 250 in modern era. Instead, it normally makes compound verbs to refer to actions. This language was heavily affected by Arabic in the last 12 centuries and it borrowed many words from this language.
My question is: Could we assume that contact with Arabic has caused the decrease of producing/using simple verbs in Persian? Do you know any similar case of language contact effects in other languages?
Thanks,
Mohammad
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Yes, that is right: in some languages - Japanese, Korean -, the light-verb construction is a means to verbalize loans.
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Am 27.01.2025 um 10:23 schrieb Zahra Etebari Shekarsaraei via Lingtyp:
>
> Dear Mohammad,
>
> Here is my opinion:
>
> If the non-verbal component of a compound verb originates from Arabic,
>
> And
>
> If it is the case for many of these verbs (as I think about it, it
> seems so),
>
> Then yes, I believe we can relate this to contact influence.
>
> I myself am eager to know about similar cases in other languages.
>
> All the best,
>
> Zahra
>
> *From:*Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org> *On Behalf
> Of *mohammad rasekh via Lingtyp
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> *Subject:* [Lingtyp] language contact, grammatical borrowing, the case
> of simple verbs in Persian
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> Persian has lost most of its simple verbs in the past 12 centuries
> gradually and the number of its simple verbs is less than 250 in
> modern era. Instead, it normally makes compound verbs to refer to
> actions. This language was heavily affected by Arabic in the last 12
> centuries and it borrowed many words from this language.
>
> My question is: Could we assume that contact with Arabic has caused
> the decrease of producing/using simple verbs in Persian? Do you know
> any similar case of language contact effects in other languages?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mohammad
>
> Mohammad Rasekh-Mahand
>
> Linguistics Department,
>
> Bu-Ali Sina University,
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> Hamedan, Iran.
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Dear all,
A relevant monograph addressing some relevant issues from a broader typological perspective is:
Wohlgemuth, Jan. (2009). A typology of verbal borrowings. Berlin: Mouton de Gruyter.
Best wishes,
Bernhard
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Subject: [Lingtyp] language contact, grammatical borrowing, the case of simple verbs in Persian
Dear Friends,
Persian has lost most of its simple verbs in the past 12 centuries gradually and the number of its simple verbs is less than 250 in modern era. Instead, it normally makes compound verbs to refer to actions. This language was heavily affected by Arabic in the last 12 centuries and it borrowed many words from this language.
My question is: Could we assume that contact with Arabic has caused the decrease of producing/using simple verbs in Persian? Do you know any similar case of language contact effects in other languages?
Thanks,
Mohammad
Mohammad Rasekh-Mahand
Linguistics Department,
Bu-Ali Sina University,
Hamedan, Iran.
Postal Code: 6517838695
https://basu.academia.edu/MohammadRasekhmahand
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Dear Christian,Yes, the light verb construction verbalizes loans in Persian, too. But, the previous simple verbs are also replaced by light verb construction and the number of simple verbs has decreased. I mainly want to know if the second phenomenon has happened anywhere.?
Mohammad Rasekh-Mahand?Linguistics Department,Bu-Ali Sina University,?Hamedan, Iran.Postal Code: 6517838695??https://basu.academia.edu/MohammadRasekhmahand
On Monday, January 27, 2025 at 01:00:28 PM GMT+3:30, Christian Lehmann via Lingtyp <lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org> wrote:
Yes, that is right: in some languages - Japanese, Korean -, the light-verb construction is a means to verbalize loans.
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Am 27.01.2025 um 10:23 schrieb Zahra Etebari Shekarsaraei via Lingtyp:
Dear Mohammad,
Here is my opinion:
If the non-verbal component of a compound verb originates from Arabic,
And
If it is the case for many of these verbs (as I think about it, it seems so),
Then yes, I believe we can relate this to contact influence.
I myself am eager to know about similar cases in other languages.
All the best,
Zahra
?
?
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Subject: [Lingtyp] language contact, grammatical borrowing, the case of simple verbs in Persian
?
Dear Friends,
Persian has lost most of its simple verbs in the past 12 centuries gradually and the number of its simple verbs is less than 250 in modern era. Instead, it normally makes compound verbs to refer to actions. This language was heavily affected by Arabic in the last 12 centuries and it borrowed many words from this language.
My question is: Could we assume that contact with Arabic has caused the decrease of producing/using simple verbs in Persian? Do you know any similar case of language contact effects in other languages??
Thanks,
Mohammad? ??
?
Mohammad Rasekh-Mahand?
Linguistics Department,
Bu-Ali Sina University,?
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https://basu.academia.edu/MohammadRasekhmahand
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