6.1285, Disc: Einstein & Saussure, Re: 6.1270

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LINGUIST List:  Vol-6-1285. Thu Sep 21 1995. ISSN: 1068-4875. Lines:  75
 
Subject: 6.1285, Disc: Einstein & Saussure, Re: 6.1270
 
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Date:  Wed, 20 Sep 1995 10:32:07 BST
From:  morpurgo at vax.ox.ac.uk (ANNA MORPURGO DAVIES)
Subject:  RE: 6.1270, Sum: Einstein and Saussure
 
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Date:  Wed, 20 Sep 1995 13:23:43 MDT
From:  anglin at t6-serv.lanl.gov (James Anglin)
Subject:  Relativity
 
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Date:  Wed, 20 Sep 1995 10:32:07 BST
From:  morpurgo at vax.ox.ac.uk (ANNA MORPURGO DAVIES)
Subject:  RE: 6.1270, Sum: Einstein and Saussure
 
For Jakobson's view that Einstein's relativity theory was
influenced by Winteler, the Swiss dialectologist, it is
worthwhile to read M. Kohrt, Phonetik, Phonologie und die
'Relativitaet der Verhaeltnisse'. Zur Stellung Jost Wintelers
in der Geschichte der Wissenschaft (Zeitschrift fuer
Dialektologie und Linguistik, Beihefte 470), Steiner,
Stuttgart, 1984, esp. 66 ff. It is all very doubtful.
Anna Morpurgo Davies
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Date:  Wed, 20 Sep 1995 13:23:43 MDT
From:  anglin at t6-serv.lanl.gov (James Anglin)
Subject:  relativity
 
 
As a physicist who sometimes sees bits of the Linguist List, courtesy
of his wife, I was surprised to hear that "Einstein ... acknowledged
[Winteler] as a primary source for some of his own insights."  Perhaps
he did do this, but I am inclined to suppose that some offhand and
generous comment by Einstein has been exaggerated by a
Winteler-booster.
 
The reason for this suspicion is that the basic notion that "things can
be relative" was not one of Einstein's insights.  It has been present
in physics since Galileo; Einstein's contributions were some much more
specific ideas.  The Special Theory _of_ Relativity was a novel theory
_about_ a familiar phenomenon.  It said that some things long thought
absolute, like time, were relative; but that other things long thought
relative, like the speed of light, were absolute.
 
Winteler's work may well have been original and profound.  But I would
like to warn against the temptation, offered by the perhaps misleading
titles of Einstein's theories, to construe relativism, plain and
simple, as the fount of modern physics.  Associates of Einstein with
relativistic ideas in other fields are thus not thereby likely to have
had any significant influence on his physics.
 
James Anglin			Change will soon be replaced
anglin at t6-serv.lanl.gov		by something new.
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