11.2285, Sum: Word Processing in Greek

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Subject: 11.2285, Sum: Word Processing in Greek

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Date:  Thu, 19 Oct 2000 21:04:06 +0800
From:  Arthur Wang <nlp0421 at gz.cngb.com>
Subject:  Word Processing in Greek

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Date:  Thu, 19 Oct 2000 21:04:06 +0800
From:  Arthur Wang <nlp0421 at gz.cngb.com>
Subject:  Word Processing in Greek

For Query: Linguist 11.2257

Dear linguists:

On Oct.15 I posted the following message:

How can I type Greek in MS Word97? I tried inserting symbols but the speed
is intolerable, and the letters were too widely scattered. Thanks for any
help!

Within a couple of days I received a number of responses, among which I
have found a suitable solution to my problem. Below is a summary of their
information.

1. Chris Elliott:
Shareware programs and Greek fonts are available to download from the Net.
Antioch (not appropriate in NT system) is based on the unicode system. It
enables you by the click of an icon button to switch to the Greek font and
to use any of the diacritics used in modern or ancient Greek. You will get
Hebrew and coptic characters as a bonus. However you can only use the
italic font without registering which costs $50 U.S. and a registration
reminder pops up occasionally. The address is
www.users.dircon.co.uk/~hancock/antioch.htm
Otherwise look for WinGreek (or possibly son of win Greek) which is
commonly used but is getting older.
It's impossible to type Greek using Times New Roman. However, unless you
wish to add Greek diacritics which is the big problem for writing Classical
Greek, you really only need a Greek font of some kind which you can easilly
get of the web. A couple of macros will be convenient so that for instance
if you hit Alt+ g you go into the Greek font and one such as Alt + r which
will return you to Times Roman. Otherwise simply click on the appropriate
font in the font list.

2. Lukas Pietsch:
(1)	For monotonic (i.e. modern) Greek, fonts and keyboard support are
included in Windows 95/98. Go to System Setup, software, windows
components, and install "language support for Greek". Then go to System
Setup, keyboards, and install a new keyboard language.
(2)	For polytonic (classical) Greek writing, there's no system-wide
keyboard support, but there are a couple of utilities for Word97. Word97 is
the first word processor with full Unicode support. Consider using a
Unicode (16-bit) encoding of the Greek characters (see:
www.ziplink.net/~ptrourke/fonts.htm , or:
www.arts.cornell.edu/classics/Faculty/Rusten/unicode/review.htm for
information about Unicode.)
A rough-and-ready unicode Greek font is available for free at
http://www.nyu.edu/classes/latin2/athena.zip
Two keyboard utilities, both in the form of Word scripts, will do the rest
of the job:
"Antioch": see www.users.dircon.co.uk/~hancock/antioch.htm ($50 shareware,
includes another unicode font); and:
"Ukeys": see http://members.aol.com/AtticGreek/ ;($25 shareware).
A commercial program is:
"Polytonistis", from www.magenta.gr (free demo version for download,
including another unicode font, full version for ca.$50 if I remember right.)

3. Christopher Brewster:
First install Greek support as part of the Windows installation.
Identify which key combination to use to switch to Greek (alternatively you
may have an icon at the bottom right hand corner which allows you to switch
language).
Then run Word. Switch to Greek and type away. (you will have to experiment
to learn the keys).
This works for monotonic Modern Greek. For Ancient Greek, you need to learn
a set of key-combinations to insert easily the accented characters.
Windows 98 and Word 97 are unicode compliant so there should be no real
problems.

4. Magnus Hreinn Snaedal:
Site information: http://www.sil.org/computing/fonts/silgreek/

5. Freiderikos Valetopoulos offered to send me a font.

6. Robert Hagiwara:
A fairly good Greek font is available from
http://www.sil.org/computing/fonts/silgreek/
Switching between their fonts and 'normal' is just a matter of swapping
font in line.

7. Donald F. Reindl:
Download and install a Greek font for free at
http://user.dtcc.edu/~berlin/fonts.html
Suppose you downloaded "Athenian" and install it in the font folder. If you
select the "Athenian" font in MS Word and go through the insert symbol
routine, and click on alpha, you'll see "Insert Athenian
character 97 (Unicode: F061)" at the bottom of your screen. The character
values in this font range from 32 to 255. Characters numbered 32-126
overlap with those on your keyboard, so if you press "a" you get alpha, "b"
for beta, "c" for psi, and so on.
Notice, however, that epsilon with lenis and acute is character 166. To
insert this character, you can use the insert symbol box, or you can hold
down the ALT key and type "0166" on the numeric keypad. If you choose the
latter route, you'll have to make a list of the characters 127-255 to have
at hand.
An even better way to handle characters 127-255 is through macros (some are
given at the web site above), but setting up an alternate keyboard
definition, or by entering the values in the auto-correct file (e.g., 1e
for epsilon acute, 1u for upsilon acute, etc.).

8. Nastia Loukina:
For Modern Greek (without different kinds of accents and aspiration - for
these you need a special font you can find in Inet), add Greek language to
your keyboard settings in START menu (Start - Settings - Control panel).
MsOffice CD may be needed. Then if you change the language in the icon at
the right corner of the screen,  all your .ttf fonts will use Greek chars
(the keyboard layout basically corresponds to the English one).

9. Anna Shnayder:
Multilanguage Support is needed Windows CD. Then go to Settings/ Keyboard/
Languages, and choose Add, then choose Greek. In the same window, choose
Indicator, which will allow you to switch between
languages. In Word, when you switch to Greek, it should automatically go
into the correct keyboard, but if it doesn't just select something like
Times New Roman (Greek). Then experiment with your physical keyboard --
some keys will now print Greek characters, instead of what they have on them.

10. Jed PezBoySka:
Go to control panel-->keyboard and set up Greek. Then, switch to Greek when
you open word. In addition, you may be able to use the "Greek" language in
word (look in help). THis problem won't do much because you can't have
spell/grammar check unless you buy the MS Proofing Kit (it probably costs a
lot of money, Word comes with French, Spanish and English only).

11. John H. Stewart:
In the keyboards control panel, install any number of non-English keyboard
layouts (and for that matter, a number of Engish layouts as well...). A
Greek layout is one of them. Then type directly into Word in Greek.

12. Daniel Buncic:
Multilingual extension is needed, which is part of Windows 95+ (if this is
not installed yet). In Windows Setup, you have to select "Greek". Then, in
the system control, add a Greek keyboard - and now type Modern Greek. For
Ancient Greek, it depends on the font you use. I have designed my own
Ancient Greek font with all the diacritics as separate symbols, which just
add to a letter symbol, so that you can combine symbols. That's very
convenient, though it doesn't look as good as professional typesets. The
keyboard you can design yourself with Janko's Keyboard Generator. Look at
Janko's homepage:
http://solair.eunet.yu/~janko/
Probably you'll even find a link to a ready-made solution for Ancient Greek
there.

13. Gina:
A very good tool, Sgreek, can be found at silver mountain fonts.
( http://www.silvermnt.com/fonts.htm ) where there are all the breathings and
accents.  A registration fee is needed but only if you use it for
commercial reasons.

14. Andy Wilcox:
Installation of at least one font is needed. Then go to Windows "Help",
type in "language" then click Find, and find out how to change to another
keyboard. This will include options for toggling between
languages/character sets while you type, either with a clickable button
bottom right, or with a key press, e.g. Alt+Shift.

I hope I haven't overlooked any response. Sorry if I have.

Arthur Wang

Guangdong University of Foreign Studies
Guangzhou, 510420
P. R. CHINA
nlp0421 at gz.cngb.com; arthur_jy_wang at yahoo.com


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