13.661, Qs: Quechua/ "with", Motion Verbs & Manner

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Subject: 13.661, Qs: Quechua/ "with", Motion Verbs & Manner

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1)
Date:  Sun, 10 Mar 2002 12:49:11 -0800 (PST)
From:  Masha Vassilieva <mvassili at yahoo.com>
Subject:   'with' in QUECHUA

2)
Date:  Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:26:14 +0000 (GMT)
From:  Stathis Selimis<sselimis at yahoo.gr>
Subject:  Motion Verbs + Manner

-------------------------------- Message 1 -------------------------------

Date:  Sun, 10 Mar 2002 12:49:11 -0800 (PST)
From:  Masha Vassilieva <mvassili at yahoo.com>
Subject:   'with' in QUECHUA

Dear colleagues,

I came across the following construction in Cuzco
Quechua (Andean): (Diacritics omitted)

noka-wan  kam-wan      wasi-yki-man risu-ntsix
I.-with   you.SG-with house-your-to go-1stPl FUt
"You and I will go to your house"

(from Stassen 2000:3)

Does anybody know

(1) Whether this language has another connector, the
analogue of 'and' , in addition to WAN 'with' ?

(2) If it does, can NPs  and /or pronouns be
coordinated by 'and'? Is 'and repeated after each
conjunct, the way 'with' is?

(3) Where else is 'wan' used? For instance, can one
say
    I went to the store WAN-with Peter
    I opened the door WAN-with a key

(4) Is there a Plural Pronominal construction in this
language (similar to Russian
      my s    nim pojdom         domoj
      we with him go.1st Pl Fut  home
      "He and I will go home."

(5) What are the plural markers in this language? What
I am after is: can WAN be a plural marker with either
pronouns or nouns?

(6) Are there morphological case markers? In other
words, if WAN is a preposition, does it mark the
(pro)noun for case?

Thank you very much!

Masha Vassilieva
State University of New York at Stony Brook




-------------------------------- Message 2 -------------------------------

Date:  Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:26:14 +0000 (GMT)
From:  Stathis Selimis<sselimis at yahoo.gr>
Subject:  Motion Verbs + Manner

I am working on the coding of motion events in Greek (including child
language). I would appreciate exchanging ideas on the following
(methodological and theoretical) problems. I will post a summary of
responses.



1). Looking carefully at particular studies concerning motion verbs,
it is clear that researchers do not agree -and are sometimes
inconsistent even within their own published work- on what a motion
verb is. Does, for instance, the body as a whole need to move or can
more limited body motion also be included (e.g. slight facial
movements on the one end and more visible movement like taking and
putting things with one's hands on the other end)? More specifically,
in published work "bring" and "take" are taken to be a motion verb but
"put" often is not. What sorts of criteria should we use for deciding
what a motion verb is?



2). How can Manner be defined, so as we might have clear criteria on
whether verbs code Manner or Path? In fact, researchers treat verbs
like fall as lexicalizing Manner in some studies and Path in other
studies.

Stathis Selimis


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