LL-L: "Etymology" LOWLANDS-L, 11.DEC.1999 (03) [E]

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From: Reuben Epp [repp at silk.net]
Subject: LL-L: "Etymology" LOWLANDS-L, 10.DEC.1999 (01) [E]

From: Lowlands-L Administrator <sassisch at yahoo.com>
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Date: 10/12/1999 10:42 AM
Subject: LL-L: "Etymology" LOWLANDS-L, 10.DEC.1999 (01) [E]

>From: R. F. Hahn [sassisch at yahoo.com]
>Subject: Etymology
>
>Dear Lowlanders,
>
>Does any of you know the etymology of the Low Saxon (Low German) noun
>_Pracher_ (spelled _Pracha_ in Mennonite Low Saxon)?  Its meaning is
>'poor/destitute person', 'beggar', 'vagabond'.
>
>There must be a verb root /prach-/ somewhere, but it does not seem to have
>survived in the language.
>
>Regards,
>
>Reinhard/Ron

Dear Lowlanders,

Jack Thiessen's new 1999 "Mennonite Low German Dictionary" lists the
verb "prachre" as follows:

prachre - schw. v., w. v. betteln. to beg, entreat, appeal. poln./Pol.
pracharz.

Duden's "Deutsches Universal Wörterbuch" 1989 lists the noun "Pracher"
and verb "prachern" as follows:

Pracher, der; -s, - [mniederd. pracher, zu prachern] (bes. nordd.):
[zudringlicher] Bettler;

prachern (sw.V.; hat> [mniederd. prachen, mniederl. prachern,  H.  u.]
(bes. nordd.): betteln.

I hope this helps.
Reuben

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From: Gerald Tighe [gftighe2 at home.com]
Subject: LL-L: "Etymology" LOWLANDS-L, 10.DEC.1999 (01) [E]

Hi Folk:

> From: R. F. Hahn [sassisch at yahoo.com]
> Subject: Etymology
> Dear Lowlanders,
> Does any of you know the etymology of the Low Saxon (Low German) noun
> _Pracher_ (spelled _Pracha_ in Mennonite Low Saxon)?  Its meaning is
> 'poor/destitute person', 'beggar', 'vagabond'.

Ron :
I came across this in a Mawson Dictionary of Foreign Terms:
Prachtausgabe[Ger.], edition de lux; abbr. Pr.-A.

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From: R. F. Hahn [sassisch at yahoo.com]
Subject: Etymology

Gerald wrote:

> I came across this in a Mawson Dictionary of Foreign Terms:
> Prachtausgabe[Ger.], edition de lux; abbr. Pr.-A.

Gerald, _Pracht_ is a German word meaning 'splendor'.  I don't think it has
anything to do with Low Saxon (Low German) _Pracher_ '(obnoxious) beggar'.
_Pracht_ (adjective/adverb _prächtig_) comes from Middle High German _braht_ and
Old High German _praht_ 'noise', 'to-do', 'ostentation', and it is related to
Middle High German _brach_ 'noise' and Old Saxon _brakôn_ 'to make a crashing or
breaking sound', _brahtum_ 'noise', 'crowd', and Old English _breahtm_ 'noise',
'yelling'.

_Pracht_ 'splendor' and _prächtig_ 'splendiferous' are sometimes used in Low
Saxon, but I assume they are borrowed from German.  It seems more "native" to
render 'splendor' as _Staat_ or _Prahl_ ~ _Praal_ (related to German _prahlen_
'to boast') and 'splendiferous' as _staatsch_  or _kröönsch_, depending on the
context.

Best regards,

Reinhard/Ron

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