LL-L: "Phonology" LOWLANDS-L, 18.NOV.1999 (02) [E]
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From: Ruud Harmsen [rharmsen at knoware.nl]
Subject: LL-L: "Phonology" LOWLANDS-L, 17.NOV.1999 (04) [E]
R. F. Hahn sassisch at yahoo.com schreef:
>I can assure you that the Dutch v/ is nothing like that. Spanish
(Castilian)
>/b/ and /v/ are realized as a type of bilabial fricative (IPA:
beta) in most
>environments, as [b] at the beginning of a word. The Dutch sound
we are talking
>about is totally different.
I agree. More info:
http://utopia.knoware.nl/~rharmsen/articles/fonetics/fonetfrm.htm
and more specifically:
http://utopia.knoware.nl/~rharmsen/articles/fonetics/fvw.htm
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Ruud Harmsen - http://utopia.knoware.nl/~rharmsen/
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From: Braw1 at aol.com
Subject: LL-L: "Phonology" LOWLANDS-L, 17.NOV.1999 (04) [E]
I wasn't talking about the sound differences in Spanish and Dutch. But was
meaning, that the sound, to a foreign ear, would almost be indistinct.
Sorry, if I wasn't clear.
For instance, in the American dialect of English, they rarely pronounce the
'wh' instead it is a 'w' so that there is no difference between whales and
Wales. Or perhaps, they think they do pronounce it and to my Scots/British
ear the subtlety is lost.
-Mark
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