LL-L: "Language varieties" LOWLANDS-L, 13.AUG.2000 (07) [E]

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From: Thomas [t.mcrae at uq.net.au]
Subject: LL-L: "Language varieties" LOWLANDS-L, 13.AUG.2000 (01) [E]

This one neither at first glance then I though about it.
American troops in Scotland in the 40's, when chatting up local girls,
called them 'Sweedry' with the 'dr' being slurred together, sometimes even
becoming 'Sweedy'. Naturally us kids started using this great new word.
Pronouncing 'Petal' in the same way does give it some similarity to 'Pearl'

but around Edinburgh we'd say 'Perruhl' unless we lived in the snootier
areas.
Regards
Tom
Tom Mc Rae
Brisbane Australia
"Oh wid some power the Giftie gie us
Tae see oorselves as ithers see us"
Robert Burns--

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> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:43:15 -0700
> To: LOWLANDS-L at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG
> Subject: LL-L: "Language varieties" LOWLANDS-L, 13.AUG.2000 (01) [E]
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> At 12:28 12/08/00 -0700, john feather wrote:
>> I am puzzled by Stefan's assertion that "AmE petal and Scots pearl come
> out
>> sounding the same". Do Scots agree?
>
> Not this one.

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From: Andy Eagle [Andy.Eagle at t-online.de]
Subject: LL-L: "Language varieties" LOWLANDS-L, 13.AUG.2000 (01) [E]

Sandy wrote

>Alfred Brothers wrote:
>
> > By the way, does this "voicing" occur in any British English or
> > Scots dialects?
> > It seems to me I've heard Scots English spoken with this sound,
> > but it could
> > have been by Americans putting on an not-too-good accent. How
> > about Low Saxon or
> > Dutch?
>
> This voicing in American accents originates in the "Wessexian" dialects
> of the south-west of England. In the few texts I've been able to find in
> these dialects, this is often actually written, eg, "kiddle" (kettle),
> "liddle" (little), "bedder" (better), "tiddies" (potatoes) &c. I guess
it's
> also
> found in the English surname "Liddell"?
>
> Nothing like this occurs in Scots, to my knowledge. You're probably
> thinking of the glottal stop, which is a different thing.

The nearest I know of where a /t/ may become /d/ is in elided 'it' in o't,
wi't etc. which it many east coast dialects becomes o'd, wi'd etc.

Andy

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