LL-L: "Etymology" LOWLANDS-L, 18.AUG.2000 (01) [D/E/Danish/Norwegian]

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From: john feather [johnfeather at sceptic1.freeserve.co.uk]
Subject: Etymology

Roger asked:

>Heeft dit woord [momber] nog een ruimer gebruik dan enkel in Limburgse
dialecten?<

Well, it's in Van Dale as "momber" or "momboor", but labelled "verouderd,
Zuidnederlands", and also as "momboor", labelled "verouderd", in De Vries's
Etymologisch Woordenboek. (There is an OE cognate "mundbora".) Who uses it
is another question.

Ron asked about "couth". Chambers Etymological Dictionary says it died out
in the 1700s first time round.

John Feather johnfeather at sceptic1.freeserve.co.uk

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From: "Ian James Parsley" <parsleyij at yahoo.com>
Subject: LL-L: "Etymology" LOWLANDS-L, 17.AUG.2000 (04) [E]

Ron Hahn asked:

> But is _couth_ in any English or Scots dialect still seriously used
as the
> opposite of _uncouth_, namely in the original sense "(socially)
appropriate" <
> "(socially) recognized" < "in accordance with known customs" < Old
English
> _cuð_ (< _cunð_) 'known'?

The short answer, Ron, is yes. It is used in this sense all over
Northern Ireland, even in quite formal contexts. In fact, I dumfounded
a dinner party recently when I revealed that _couth_ does not appear
in the Collins English Dictionary. Indeed, several present had to be
shown before they'd believe me! Could become quite a party piece...

Best wishes,
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Ian James Parsley
www.geocities.com/parsleyij/ullans.html

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From: david strommen [si00924 at navix.net]
Subject: LL-L: "Etymology" LOWLANDS-L, 17.AUG.2000 (02) [E/LS]

A very interesting discussion. I have very rudimentary abilities in the low
german and german areas but this moin moin discussion intrigues me.  I grew up
speaking Norwegian and heard from my mother's side Danish (which Norwegian
speakers can understand fairly well-men de taler som om de hadde kartoffeler i
halsen). We greet people with the phrase "God Morgen" in all Scandinavian
languages. This is often shortened to God Morn, especially in the eastern part
of Norway and in Denmark.  The various dialects way of shortening it differs
of course, and one often hears something very similar to "Moin" or "Monnj".
There is also the greeting one hears of "Morn, Morn!" I always took it to be
just emphasis on "Morning, Morning" but knowing the great influence Low German
has had on our language since the 1300s could it be possible that this is your
Moin, Moin.
Sincerely, David Strømmen

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From: R. F. Hahn [sassisch at yahoo.com]
Subject: Etymology

David Strømmen skrev:

> I grew up speaking Norwegian and heard from my mother's side Danish > (which Norwegian speakers can understand fairly well-men de taler som om > de hadde kartoffeler i halsen).

Dette "de taler som om de hadde kartoffeler i halsen" henviser til "Norwegian
speakers", ikke til "my mother's [Danish-speaking] side". Er det rigtigt?  ;)

Hilsen,
Reinhard/Ron

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