LL-L: "Language varieties" LOWLANDS-L, 22.MAY.2000 (03) [D/E/LS]

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From: Floor van Lamoen [f.v.lamoen at wxs.nl]
Subject: LL-L: "Language varieties" LOWLANDS-L, 21.MAY.2000 (01) [E]

Beste Reinhard, Roger, en andere LL-ers,

Roger Thijs:
<...>
> --- quote:
> E bountje veui éemant emme: avoir une fève pour quelqu'un, avoir un
> penchant pour quelqu'un;
> BD: Een boontje voor iemand hebben.
<...>

Reinhard Hahn:
> Thanks for giving us the book review and the intro to Brussels Dutch
above,
> Roger.
>
> What I find interesting is the umlauting (o > ö) in _veui_ 'for' (cf.
Dutch
> _voor_, Low Saxon/Low German _för_/_veur_).  Does this occur in any other

> Dutch dialects as well?

Jazeker, die umlauting gebeurt ook in andere Nederlandse dialecten (nog
afgezien van de Nedersaksische en Limburgse). Voorzover ik weet is
'veur' vrij standaard in het Nederlandse Noord-Brabant. Lokaal, bapaald
niet algemeen, wordt 'veur' ook in het Zeeuws gebruikt (meestal is het
'vôôr').

Groeten,
Floor van Lamoen.

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From: Roger Thijs [Roger.Thijs at village.uunet.be]
Subject: LL-L: "Language varieties" LOWLANDS-L, 21.MAY.2000 (01) [E]

At 14:34 21/05/00 -0700, you wrote:
>From: Roger Thijs [Roger.Thijs at village.uunet.be]
>Subject: Printed sources
>Brussels language:
>Véese steike oïetange: Prendre de drôles de régions, Avoir de drôles de
>manières, être étrange.
>BD: Vieze streken uithangen.
>--- all quotations were from page 118

>From: R. F. Hahn [sassisch at yahoo.com]
>Subject: Language varieties
in
>Brussels Dutch /r/ seems to be vocalized in all environments (e.g., in
>_steike_ 'streaks', 'strips', 'regions', cf. Dutch _streken_
['stre:k@(n)],
>Low Saxon _Streken_ ['stre:k=N]).

Sorry, this was a typing error of mine.
One should read "streike" in the Brusdsels version.
Regards,
Roger

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From: R. F. Hahn [sassisch at yahoo.com]
Subject: Language varieties

Bedankt för Juun Anters, Floor un Roger.

Floor schreev:

> Jazeker, die umlauting gebeurt ook in andere Nederlandse dialecten (nog
> afgezien van de Nedersaksische en Limburgse). Voorzover ik weet is
'> veur' vrij standaard in het Nederlandse Noord-Brabant. Lokaal, bapaald
> niet algemeen, wordt 'veur' ook in het Zeeuws gebruikt (meestal is het
'> vôôr').

Gifft 't 'n Dialektkaart, up de /vor/ ~ /vör/ wiest wardt?  (Ick neem an,
dat dat lange /o/ in standert-nedderlandsch _voor_ 'n Fall vun phonoloogsch
Verlängern is.  (Lengthening of vowels before liquids and nasals in Dutch
and Low Saxon).

Roger schreev:

> Sorry, this was a typing error of mine.
> One should read "streike" in the Brusdsels version.

Kann 'n denn seggen, dat bloots dat Uutluuds-R to'n Vokaal wardt, as in't
Neddersassische/Nedderdüütsche?  Is dat ook in annere Nedderlandsche
Dialekten so?

Gröten,

Reinhard/Ron

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