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From: Lone Elisabeth Olesen [baxichedda at yahoo.com]
Subject: "Help needed"

R. F. Hahn [sassisch at yahoo.com] wrote:

> Lone to the rescue again!  Thanks so much!  I don't
> have a copy of this
> rather recently published dictionary.  Could you
> give us the ISBN number as
> well?
(...)

> So _Allhorn_ means 'elder(bush)' (_vlier_ in Dutch,
> _Holunder_ in German,
> _hyld_ in Danish)!

You are welcome, that was nothing... all I did was
looking in my dictionary...
The full title of the dictionary on Low Saxon is
"Plattdeutsch-hochdeutsches Wörterbuch für den
mecklenburgisch-vorpommerschen Sprachraum", by Renate
Herrmann-Winter. 4th revised edition 1999, Hinstorff
Verlag, Rostock. ISBN 3-356-00375-5

In Scandinavia, there is the tradition of making
lemonade also on the flowers of the elderberry bush.
Most cafés in Copenhagen will serve elderberry juice
of either the berries or the flowers.
I remember the expression "Hyldemor", (Mother Elder?)
as a certain mytholigical "kind spirit" of the
elderberry/gooseberry tree... Does a similar figure
exist outside Scandinavia?

Greetings, Lone Olesen

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From: R. F. Hahn [sassisch at yahoo.com]
Subject: Help needed

Thanks for the bibliographical information, Lone.  I should add it to the
Offline List for Low Saxon (Low German).  I just realized that I have a
much older edition of the same book (still published under East German
rule) but can't locate it at the moment.

> Most cafés in Copenhagen will serve elderberry juice
> of either the berries or the flowers.

And both of them are wonderful.

> I remember the expression "Hyldemor", (Mother Elder?)
> as a certain mytholigical "kind spirit" of the
> elderberry/gooseberry tree... Does a similar figure
> exist outside Scandinavia?

I very vaguely remember something similar, something like the *_Holderfee_
(elder fairy) in German.  Or am I mixing it up with the Danish Hyldemor of
whom I seem to have heard before too?  (Is she featured in one of H.C.
Andersen's tales, by any chance?)

(Apparently, Old High German _holuntar_ and Middle High German _holunder_
were stressed on the first syllable, unlike Modern High German _Holunder_
which is stressed on the penultimate syllable.  Older stress accounts for
dialectal variations such as _Holder_ and _Holler_.  It's related to Danish

to Middle English _hildir_ 'lilac'? 'elder'?, besides Danish _hyld_ and
Swedish _hyll(e)_.)

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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