LL-L: "Etymology" LOWLANDS-L, 07.SEP.2000 (06) [E]

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From: Edwin Michael Alexander [edsells at idirect.com]
Subject: LL-L: "Etymology" LOWLANDS-L, 07.SEP.2000 (05) [E]

At 08:01 AM 09/07/00 -0700, david strommen wrote:
>  > I had second thoughts after deleting one of Ron's messages about
> "kot" > and
> > perhaps I remember incorrectly what he said. I just wanted to make clear
> > that in BE the primary meaning of "cot" is a bed, usually with high >
> sides,
> > for a baby. In AmE the word is used for what we call, I would say
> > exclusively, a "camp bed".

Not really.  A cot can also be any small bed, in particular one that folds
up, though not necessarily.  When I was quite small, but too big any more
for the "crib", then I slept on a cot, which could be folded up in two and
rolled into a closet.

My eldest brother, who attended Harvard University as an undergraduate,
then later got his Ph.D there, told me that once he had some visitors
coming, so he phoned a local furniture store in Cambridge, Mass, and asked
if he could rent a cot.  They asked him, "How many wheels do you
want?"  Quickly remembering his local dialect, he said, "Oh, no, I need a
<caught>."  [They thought he was looking for a "cart", pronounced locally
as <caaht>.]
Ed Alexander
JAG REALTY INC.
80 Jones Street Hamilton, Ontario, Canada L8R 1Y1
Pager: 905-545-0177  Fax: 905-525-6671 Email: edsells at idirect.com
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From: Roger Thijs [roger.thijs at village.uunet.be]
Subject: LL-L: "Etymology" LOWLANDS-L, 015.SEP.2000 (05) [D/E/LS]

At 11:43 5-9-2000 -0700, you wrote:
From: Roger Thijs [roger.thijs at village.uunet.be]
Subject: LL-L: "Etymology" LOWLANDS-L, 015.SEP.2000 (04) [E/LS]
 >>>>> Voor het Belgisch Nederlands (cf. bijvoorbeeld in Nijhoffs
Zuidnederlands
woordenboek):
kot, o, -ten en koten
1. ... hok ... schuurtje, loods, berging, bergplaats, bergruimte...
2. (Onconvent.) Bordeel, hoerenkast...
3. ... studentenkamer, met name in toepassing op kamers die door
particulieren aan studenten worden verhuurd...
4. verblijfplaats voor dieren: hok, kooi (voor vogels)...
5. (Gewest., inz. Brab.) Gat, opening...
(In de vijfde betekenis heb ik het nooit horen gebruiken.)<<<<<

I think I was wrong by saying I'm not familiar with the fifth meaning. We
just use an other word in my Limburgish:
for 1 to 4:     kot, plural: kotte
for 5:          koet, plural kutter (plural with -er + Umlaut)

Sample for "koet":
Limburgish: Immand ee koet in zenne kop kalle
Dutch: Iemand een gat in zijn hoofd praten
Talk to somebody until he gets a hole in his head.

I have no idea what's the etymological origin of koet, kutter.

We have had a discussion in tis list if it should be "Limburgish" or
"Limburgian" a couple of years ago. Today I received the 8th volume of "The
Low Countries", published by the "Stichting Ons Erfdeel"

Reiner Salverda, in his article "The Other Languages of the Netherlands",
pp. 245-252 avoids the issue:
p. 247: "Apart from Dutch, the Netherlands today recognises five other
languages - Frisian, Low Saxon, _Limburgs_, Yiddish and Romany as
indigenous regional or minority languages under the European Charter...
The recognition of Low Saxon (Nedersaksisch) in the eastern provinces and
_Limburgs_ in the southeast was mostly symbolic: no resources have been
allocated for their introduction in education or the media..."

BTW on Sept. 8 the "Proviciale Staten" in Maastricht will vote on a
proposal from the PNL (Partij Nieuw Limburg) for the recognition of a
unified Limburgish language. The universities of Leuven and Nijmegen, who
take care of the dictionnary of Limburgish dialects (about 20 vols.
published, by topic, at a rate of about 1 vol. a year) are strongly
against. Actually there is no Limburgish koiné, and most people want to
preserve the Limburgish dialect group as it is, with it's varieties,
recognised as a regional language indeed, but without creating one more
esperanto-like intermediate language.

Regards,
Roger
r.thijs at ieee.org

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