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From: Sandy Fleming [sandy at scotstext.org]
Subject: "Place names"

> From: fr.andreas at juno.com
> Subject: Re: LL-L: "Place Names"
>
> Hello.
>
>      A Mr. Roy Graham, of the list whence came the question of the origin
> of "Quathside," wonders if the Carnwath that Sandy refers to is the one
> in Lanarkshire. Mr. Graham finds its etymology in the Welsh "gwydd,"
> citing a Prof. Watson whose work was published in 1926. If this Quathside
> is in a former Brythonic speaking region of Scotland, would that be a
> reasonable source for the element in question?

Ah, I begin to see it!

It seems possible that the word is the modern Welsh "gwydd" or "coed" which
means anything from a forest to a clump of trees. It's usually found in
Scottish place names as "keith" - eg Dalkeith, Inchkeith, Inverkeithing.

So possibly Quathside means "Woodside".

Sandy
http://scotstext.org
A dinna dout him, for he says that he
On nae accoont wad ever tell a lee.
                          - C.W.Wade,
                    'The Adventures o McNab'

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From: Pat Reynolds [pat at caerlas.demon.co.uk]
Subject: LL-L: "Place names" LOWLANDS-L, 22.APR.2001 (02) [E]

I think I cut too much from the message I initially replied to, which
suggested that the 'q' might have been a 'w' - this struck me as
possible from the very shallow basis of my memories of Dumbar (a
Scottish poet of the late 1400s, who has forms like 'qhuilk' (which) and
'quhom' (whom).

Of course, I don't know how long after Dunbar _w_ could be rendered 'qu'
- and now I come to think of it, I don't remember seeing _w_ rather than
_hw_ ... nor yet whether the place name in question is only known from a
written source, or whether a _k_ pronunciation has been recorded. Such a
lot of unknowns!

But it's given me the occasion to re-read Dunbar's _Lament for the
Makers_

Best wishes to all

Pat
Timor Mortis conturbat me

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From: fr.andreas at juno.com
Subject: LL-L: "Place names" LOWLANDS-L, 22.APR.2001 (04) [E]

Well!
     As it turns out, the Quathside stead is in Ayrshire. There we are,
then.
+Fr Andreas Richard Turner.

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