LL-L: "Help needed" LOWLANDS-L, 23.APR.2001 (04) [E/LS]

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From: Francis de Ruijte [Francis.de.Ruijte at paxetbonum.net]
Subject: LL-L: "Help needed" LOWLANDS-L, 22.APR.2001 (05) [E/LS]

> From: R. F. Hahn [sassisch at yahoo.com]
> Subject: Help needed
>
> [The following is in Low Saxon (Low German) and English.]
>
> Leve Leeglanners,
> Ik wöör Ju groten Dank weten, wenn Jie bi't Verstahn vun 'n paar Utdrücken
> (ünnen) in't grönningsche (groningsche) Neddersassische hölpen doot.
> Gröten,
> Reinhard/Ron
>
> Dear Lowlanders,
> I'd be very grateful to you for helping me interpret a few Groningen Low
Saxon
> expressions (below).
> Regards,
> Reinhard/Ron
>
> ***
>
> Hier hevve wait van
> ("Here have we it of/from"?) Meaning? = to know about something, have
knowledge
> of something

> held blaauw
> 'completely blue' or 'lightblue"? = light blue
>
> non vol stoatsie
> _non_ meaning?
> _stoatsie_ 'pomp', 'splendor'?
>
> aldergloepmste mooi
> Meaning?
>
> Kraaienzummertje
> "crow's summer" = 'Indian summer'? Yes, correct: Indian summer.
>
> grammieterg om vergese tocht
> Meaning?
>
> t Aarmste verdrait
> ("the poorest distorted/askew"?)  Yes, correct.
>
> lebait
> Meaning?
>
> stoefbie
> Meaning?
>
> Woarom zol aine muite
> den nemen om zien hazzens
> nog vraider oet te schraben?
> Meaning?
>
> ik goa die braid in t zicht stoan
> Meaning?  = I shall face the bride face to face, right in her face
>
> bezatten
> Meaning?  = to possess,  or to be drunk (?)

Good luck. Francis de Ruijte

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From: Henry Pijffers [henry.pijffers at saxnot.com]
Subject: LL-L: "Help needed" LOWLANDS-L, 22.APR.2001 (05) [E/LS]

Ron asked for help on:
>
>Hier hevve wait van
>("Here have we it of/from"?) Meaning?
>
I'd translate this as "Of this he has knowledge"
("Hyr hef e (hey) weet van" in my own dialect)

>held blaauw
>'completely blue' or 'lightblue"?
>
"helder blauw" in my dialect, thus "lightblue"

>non vol stoatsie
>_non_ meaning?
>_stoatsie_ 'pomp', 'splendor'?
>
"stoatsie" would be "splendor", "grace" or such.
But I cannot think of something to explain "non".

>aldergloepmste mooi
>Meaning?
>
"extremely beautiful"

>Kraaienzummertje
>"crow's summer" = 'Indian summer'?
>
I have heard of the expression "krejensommer" in my own dialect,
and I suspect it has the meaning of "Indian summer", but I'm not
entirely sure.

>grammieterg om vergese tocht
>Meaning?
>
Keine Ahnung...

>t Aarmste verdrait
>("the poorest distorted/askew"?)
>
Couldn't "verdrait" mean "verdriet" (hurt)?

>lebait
>Meaning?
>
Don't have a clue.

>stoefbie
>Meaning?

>Woarom zol aine muite
>den nemen om zien hazzens
>nog vraider oet te schraben?
>Meaning?
>
"Why would one go to the trouble of 'widening' ones brain?"

>ik goa die braid in t zicht stoan
>Meaning?
>
"I shall stand wide-out in front of you" (i.e. to block one's sight)

>bezatten
>Meaning?
>
"To get drunk"

regards,
Henry Pijffers

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From: Arjan Kuiper [arjans33page at arjans33page.myweb.nl]
Subject: LL-L: "Help needed" LOWLANDS-L, 22.APR.2001 (05) [E/LS]

Moi Reinhard, hier binnen poar beschrievens van een poar uitdrukns.

Hi Reinhard, here are some interpretations of some expressions.

> Hier hevve wait van
> ("Here have we it of/from"?) Meaning?

Meaning: We know/heard about that.

> held blaauw
> 'completely blue' or 'lightblue"?

Meaning: Lightbleu (in some parts of grunnen they name it lichtblauw)

> non vol stoatsie
> _non_ meaning?
> _stoatsie_ 'pomp', 'splendor'?

Haven't got a clue about what this means.

> aldergloepmste mooi
> Meaning?

Meaning: Very beautifull or most beautifull

> Kraaienzummertje
> "crow's summer" = 'Indian summer'?

Meaning: A bad summer.

> grammieterg om vergese tocht
> Meaning?

Meaning: Feeling angry about something that's already happened.

> t Aarmste verdrait
> ("the poorest distorted/askew"?)

Meaning (sorry....this goes in dutch, don't know how to interpretate it in
english): Het minste verdriet.

> lebait
> Meaning?

Also haven't got a clue about what this means.

> stoefbie
> Meaning?

Meaning: Someone who's in a hurry.

> Woarom zol aine muite
> den nemen om zien hazzens
> nog vraider oet te schraben?
> Meaning?

Meaning: Why should somebody bother so much to remember everything.

> ik goa die braid in t zicht stoan
> Meaning?

Meaning: I'm going to stand close in front of you so that you can't see
anything that is happening in front of you. (something that you may not
see).

> bezatten
> Meaning?

Meaning: Getting drunk.

Sorry about 2 expressions that i couldn't interpretate/translate (my
translations/interpretations in other languages aren't so good, but i
tried). :-)

Moi heur!!
Arjan Kuiper

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From: R. F. Hahn [sassisch at yahoo.com]
Subject: Help needed

Thank you so much, Francis, Henry and Arjan.  That was very useful.

Henry wrote:

> >t Aarmste verdrait
> >("the poorest distorted/askew"?)
> >
> Couldn't "verdrait" mean "verdriet" (hurt)?

Very possibly so.  Groningen dialects and many other North and East Saxon
dialects (and I consider Groningen dialects a group within "North Saxon,"
perhaps as a western extension of the Eastern Friesland group, both of which
have strong Frisian substrates) have /ai/ where other dialects have /ei/
(unfortunately written _ee_ in Germany).  Thus, we have _Verdreet_ /f3'drEIt/
(German _Verdruss_) 'annoyance', 'frustration', 'grief', 'sorrow'.

Confirmed by Arjan:

> Meaning (sorry....this goes in dutch, don't know how to interpretate it in
> english): Het minste verdriet.

Thus, _aarmste_ ("poorest") means "least" in this context, hence 'the least
amount of annoyance/sorrow'.

Gröyten,
Reinhard/Ron

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