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From: "Mathieu. van Woerkom" <Mathieu.vanWoerkom at student.kun.nl>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2002.03.28 (07) [E]

Ron wrote:

> Gustaaf, not to forget Scots _toon_ 'town', and Low Saxon (Low German)
> _Tuun_ (Dutch spelling _toen_), plural _Tüün_ (Dutch spelling _tuun_)
> which means 'garden' in the northwestern dialects (of the Netherlands
> and Germany) and 'fence' in the other dialects, including Mennonite Low
> Saxon (Plautdietsch) where it is _Tu(u)n_ or _Tü(ü)n_, plural _Tien_.

Also in Limburgish, the word _toen_ is only used for the fence around
the
garden (toen_toene_tuunke, m.). The word for a garden is either _gaart_
(gaarte_gaertje, m.) or _haof_(häöf_häöfke, m.). This is simular to High
German _Garten_ and _Hof_.
Although, the Limburgish word _gaart_ (and especially the verb
_gardenere_) may also have something to do with French _jardiner_, since
Limburgish was highly influenced by French (and Wallon).

Regards,
Mathieu
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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Etymology

Mathieu, you wrote above:

> Although, the Limburgish word _gaart_ (and especially the verb
> _gardenere_) may also have something to do with French _jardiner_,
> since Limburgish was highly influenced by French (and Wallon).

I don't think it is very plausible to assume that Limburgish /ga(a)rd/
_gaart_ and /ga(a)rd- at n-er-@/ _gaardenere_ are derived from French
_jardin_ 'garden'.  Or is there a pattern of deriving French /Z/ as /g/
in Limburgish?  The verb _gaardenere_ is consistent with German
_gärtnern_ 'to garden', derived from _Gärtner_ 'gardener' < _Garten_
'garden'.

Besides, French _jardin_ is a Germanic loan (which, of course, does not
mean that it can not be reintroduced to Germanic languages).

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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