LL-L "How do you say ...?" 2002.04.19 (01) [E]

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From: "Mathieu. van Woerkom" <Mathieu.vanWoerkom at student.kun.nl>
Subject: How do you say [E, L]

Ron wrote:

> I wonder if _Wouf(s)reveer_ would not sound more natural in Limburgish.

Yes, maybe 'Reveer van de Wouf' sounds a little too much like a direct
translation of the French name 'Rivier du Loup'.
A better name would be 'Woufsreveer', considering that there are also
words
like 'woufsklauw' and 'woufshóndj' in Limburgish.

Regards,

Mathieu

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From: Sandy Fleming [sandy at scotstext.org]
Subject: "How do you say..."

> From: "John M. Tait" <jmtait at wirhoose.co.uk>
> Subject: LL-L "How do you say ...?" 2002.04.16 (06) [E]
>
> Sandy wrate:
>
> >I think you're being overly dogmatic.
> >
> >The SND lists all alternative forms of "wolf" as obsolete,
> >but I'm certainly familiar with the form "woof", so there's
> >no reason to take it as gospel (the SND does sometimes list
> >things as obsolete which most definitely aren't).
>
> Well, I stand corrected! At least one of the forms isn't obsolete, in
> spite of the animal being extinct.

There may be a reason for this - there's a local legend
in my area which says that the last wolf in Scotland was
killed in a house on the edge of the forest above my
village. Apparently it smelled cooking and went into the
kitchen, where the woman hit it over the head with a frying
pan and killed it. Maybe not true, but the retelling of the
tale might have preserved the word.

However, "wolf" is still by far the most common way to say
the word in the area - and yet on the other hand, the /l/
is usually labialised, so the actual pronunciation is
/wuof/ or /wu:Of/ or similar. It just goes to show once
again that spoken language is much less predictable than
the written forms would have us belief.

> The fact remains that you don't often have to speak or write about
> wolves in Scots!

One thing I can say is that in our Scots the plural is
always "wolfs", never "wolves"!

Sandy
http://scotstext.org
A dinna dout him, for he says that he
On nae accoont wad ever tell a lee.
                          - C.W.Wade,
                    'The Adventures o McNab'

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