LL-L "Etymology" 2002.08.23 (03) [E]

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From: <burgdal32 at mac.com>
Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2002.08.22 (02) [E]

> From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Etymology
>
> Luc:
>
>> "snakken" (to talk) is also used in Western Flemish, but only
>> when somebody is snapping, "je moe zo ni snakn tegen mi"...
>
> As you seem to already know, this is the normal word for 'to speak', 'to
> talk', in most North Saxon dialects and also in many Mecklenburgish
> ones, usually _snacken_ ['snakN=], in some dialects _schnacken_
> ['SnakN=] or farther southeast _schnacke_ ['Snak@].  Within the North
> Saxon dialect areas there are dialect groups that use _spreken_
> ['spre:kN=] ~ ['Spre:kN=] or, in the far northwest (parts of Eastern
> Friesland, Oldenburg and Emsland) where they say _praten_ ~ _praot(e)n_
> ['pr@:tn=].  _Snacken_ made it's way into the South Jutish dialects and
> into Danisch proper (_snakke_) and from there into Dano-Norwegian
> (_Bokmål_) (_snakke_), into Swedish as well (_snacka_ 'to yap').  (Might
> there be a connection with English "to snack" < _snaken_ 'to bite'?)

And here's the other Luc:

We nowadays only use "snakken" in a nagative way. Snakken is to talk
loud
and and in a rude way.
We also say: Je moet azoô nie snak'n en bijt'n. (E You don't have to
talk
that rude)
Our common words for talking are "klappen" and "kouten".
>
>> "oes" or "uus" (WF), "us" (E) vs. "ons" (B), "uns" (G)
>> "Goesevoorde" (WF place-name denoting a ford for geese), "Goes" (in
>> Zeeland) vs. "gans" (B)
>
> These words are ingveonic in some dialects, not others, thus _uns_
> [?U.ns] ~ _us_ [?Us] 'us', 'our', but always _Goos_ [go.Us] 'goose'
> (plural _Göös'_ [g9:Iz] ~ _Geus_ ~ _Gäus_ [gO:Is], but in many eastern
> dialects assumedly German-loaned _Gans_, _Jans_, and Mennonite
> Plautdietsch _Gauns_ (< _Gans_), plural _Jans_ (< *_Jäns_ < *_Jänse_ <
> _Gänse_).
We talk about "e ga'ze" (You don't quiet hear the 'n'.
>
>> the old word for a "meadow" (E) used to be "mede" or "meet",
>> like in
>> "Meetkerke" (WF) or "Meetjesland", "made" (MLG);
>
> In dialects of Schleswig-Holstein and Eastern Friesland _Mede_ ['me:de]
> (or ['mE.Ide]?) or _Meed'_ [me:.(d)] (or [mE:I(d)]?) are still used to
> denote 'grassland', 'meadow (especially for growing grass for hay
> production)'.
And there was also "Ruddervoorde" compared with Oxford . But wasn't
there an actress who was called "Margareth Rutherford??

Groetjes
Luc Vanbrabant
Oekene

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