LL-L "Nomads" 2002.08.27 (08) [E]

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From: "John M. Tait" <jmtait at wirhoose.co.uk>
Subject: LL-L "Nomads" 2002.08.23 (04) [E]

Ross wrote:

>For example, in both Scotland and Ireland there have always been
>"Tinkers"
>(A commonly used but derogatory term for Scottish and Irish Travelers
>relating to a time when most were tin smiths)
>It is thought that the Travelling Folk are descended from those who were
>displaced by the Potato Famine and the Highland Clearance. They may have
>also spoken a language which was a hybrid of Scots and Gaelic

In the North East of Scotland, tinker speech is basically Scots with a
strong substratum of Romany - for example, _keer_, a house, _barry_,
good, _shan_, bad, etc. In some places of Scotland, such as the borders,
Romany has had a noticeable influence on the local dialects, and some
words more widespread in Scots, such as _gadgie_ (fellow) are Romany. In
the North East, I suspect that the words _yarrie_ (egg) and _chaavie_
(child), neither of which are listed in the Concise Scots Dictionary,
are Romany.

John M. Tait.

http://www.wirhoose.co.uk

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Nomads

Here is some elaboration on the words John Magnus provided above:

Scottish:          Lovara Romany:
_keer_ (a house)   kher (house)*
_barry_ (good)     baro (great, big)**
_shan_ (bad)       (shaijnoshan***)
_gadgie_ (fellow)  gazho/gazhi (non-Rom)****
_yarrie_ (egg)     (anro/arno (egg))
_chaavie_ (child)  _shavo_ 'boy', 'children'*****

*     This word for 'house' is quite old and used in many
      languages, including Mongolic and Indo-Aryan ones.
**    _barimo_ 'largeness', 'size', _barimango_ 'proud'; 'good'
      is _lazho_ ~ _ladzho_
***   'unfortunate(ly)'
****  masc./fem., vs _rom/romni_ 'Rom', more neutral _mursh_ 'man',
      _zhuvli_ 'woman', though by default also denoting 'Rom'
***** vs _raklo_ 'non-Rom boy', _rakli_ 'non-Rom girl'

Cheers!
Reinhard/Ron

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