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From: Thomas Byro <thbyro at earthlink.net>
Subject: LL-L "Resources" 2002.12.04 (11) [E]

Marcel:

I have been engaged in private correspondence with Marco Evenhuis, giving
him names and addresses of people I have known who grew up speaking Dutch in
the Catskills in New York and individuals of the Jackson White community in
New Jersey/New York.  The latter apparently spoke a sort of creole Dutch and
he is going to see if he can dig up a few surviving speakers.  I just got an
e-mail from him today, explaining that he has not caught up with his work
but that he will continue his pursuit when he can.  I am sure that he will
report his findings in this site when he is ready.

Tom Byro

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From: Marcel Bas <mrbas_26 at hotmail.com>
Subject: Information needed

Dear all,

My name is Marcel Bas and I live in the Netherlands. I read English Culture
and Language at the Leiden University and my field of interest on the
linguistic field is Afrikaans, Dutch, Dutch creoles, creole languages in
general, Dutch migr  and the etymology of Indogermanic languages. A few
years ago I was also subscribed to the Lowlands-L, for several years and I
spent some time, during my subscription, in South Africa.
Currently, although the exams for this semester are 'nigh', I am conducting
research for a webpage which I intend to create for the Afrikaans-Dutch web
site 'De Roepstem', which I manage and build continuously
(http://roepstem.tripod.com). I want to collect information ob the few Dutch
Creole languages that are known and compare them to Afrikaans. Dutch creoles
have most rarely been considered a serious subject, but the last decade has
shown three scholars who take interest in this.
Negerhollands, Berbice Dutch Creole and Skepi Dutch are my main points of
interest; Cefas van Rossem's book 'Die Creol Taal' I already have in my
possession, and I have borrowed Silvia Kouwenberg's Berbice Dutch Creole
(1991) from the university library. A few things have struck my interest;
both afrikaans and the creoles lack labialisation in D /y/, which is
produced as [i]; the medial /g/ and /x/ are often assimilated in the
surrounding vowels, the verbal clinations are simplified to the stem and
there are other similarities between Afrikaans and Creole Dutch.

Noteworthy is that both Skepi Dutch (Guyana) and Negerhollands (US Virgin
Islands) were recently extinct (sadly!) and Berbice Dutch (deriving from the
Zeelandic dialect Zeeuws) still survives with a few speakers in Guyana.

Could anybody please give me suggestions for further reading, or could
somebody mention facts about the Dutch Creole languages? Little is yet
known, literature is scarce so most chunks of information on this subject
will be new to me. This is truly an interesting subject!

Bij voorbaat mijn dank,

Marcel Bas, Voorschoten.

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From: ezinsser at worldonline.co.za ezinsser at worldonline.co.za
Subject: LL-L "Resources" 2002.12.04 (11) [E]

Haai almal

Marcel, jy skryf:
""A few things have struck my interest; both afrikaans and the creoles lack
labialisation
in D /y/, which is produced as [i]; the medial /g/ and /x/ are often
assimilated in the
surrounding vowels, the verbal clinations are simplified to the stem and
there are other
similarities between Afrikaans and Creole Dutch.""

Sal jy dit 'n bietjie nader kan toelig, miskien met voorbeelde?

Groete,
Elsie Zinsser

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