LL-L "Morphology" 2002.07.08 (02) [E]

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From: <burgdal32 at mac.com>
Subject: LL-L "Morphology" 2002.07.06 (03) [E]

> From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Morphology
>
> Dear Lowlanders,
>
> Under a different thread we recently discussed the word group _Mensch_
> (German), _Minsch_ ~ _minsk_ ~ _mensk_ (Lowlands Saxon/Low German),
> _mens_ (Dutch, Afrikaans), _minske_ (W. Frisian), etc., denoting 'human
> being', 'person'.  Among other things I said that Old English had the
> cognate _mennesc_.  This is only sort of correct.  _Mennesc_ is an
> adjective, meaning 'man-like', 'human(-like)' (where the overriding
> meaning of "man" was "human").  The other words are nominal derivation
> from adjectival forms, i.e., literally "human(-like) one".
>
> According to the _Herkunftsduden_, the nominal forms mentioned above,
> denoting 'human being', 'person', are limited to the "German and
> Netherlandic linguistic area."
>
> Roman Laryushkin asked about the morpheme _-isk_ ~ _isch_ ~ _-ish_,
> finding it related to Slavic _-isk-_.  I added to this Romance */-esk-/
> (_-esque_, etc.) expressing likeness (e.g., _romanesque_ 'Roman-like').
>
> So here the twain are meeting.  Apparently these words for 'human being'
> contain this very morpheme, and the stem noun underwent umlauting very
> early: _mon_ ~ _man_ > _mannisc-_ > _mennisc-_ (= _mönnisk-_ ~
> _människ-_); also Gothic _mannisks_ and Old Norse _menniskr_.
>
> In the said linguistic area, another noun was then created from this
> adjective, e.g., Old German _mannisco_ > _mennisco_ 'human being'
> ("man-like one").   I think Middle Saxon had the adjective *_menn(i)ske_
> (< *_mennisco_ < *_mannisco_?).  So I wonder if for instance Danish
> _menneske_ and Swedish _människa_ are native (North Germanic)
> developments or Middle Saxon loans.  Either could be the cases, given
> that North Germanic, too, has _-(i)sk_ and Old Norse has the adjective
> _menniskr_ (< /man+isk+r_).  (Modern Icelandic has _manneskja_ 'human
> being', 'person' besides _maður_ for 'man', 'human being'.)
>
> Regards,
> Reinhard/Ron
Dear Ron

For the Dutch word 'mens' we have the W-Flemish equivalent, which is
'mins'.
We have -mannemins (man-human)
        -vroemens (wife-human)
        -minske (humanly) f.i.: minskevleês (E: human flesh)
                                minskezot & minskeskuw ('sk' or 'sch')
(                                (loving and hating to be  with people)
'One asks' can be in Dutch: Men vraagt (and 'men'  comes from 'mens')
We have the word 'mannelijk - vrouwelijk - menselijk' (E: male female
and
human as adjective or adverb)
Groetjes
Luc Vanbrabant
Oekene

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