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From: Wim <wkv at home.nl>
Subject: LL-L "Resources" 2002.10.16 (04) [E] about oldfrisian.
Hi!
About old frisian:
>From wim wkv at home.nl
Hi!
Here is some really really old frisian:
Runic inscriptions found in the Netherlands.
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About 25 Runic Inscriptions were found in the Netherlands, and specially
in Friesland.
Some are of Scandinavian origin.
1. Scandinavian coin, 11th century: "kunar amot thisae. (Gunnar owns
this stamp).
2. Iron key. Probably Scandinavian: "Anuars" (Anvar).
3. Chess piece. "agerotra:mosel? / mahtelokpaetaerr?? (Machtelt and
Peter).
4. Bracket. "foRo glola"
5. Narval tooth, Scandinavian. "thuRh suaerri" (? Sverri).
6. Sword handle, bone. Anglo-Saxon runes. "iethemyka " (the meek).
7. Anglo-Saxon coin. "Eadnoth" (Name of a coin master of King Offa,
757-796 AD)
Friesian Runes, found in Flood mounts. ("Terpen").
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Usually written on Taxis wood, a tree which was considered special, bows
were made off its wood.
A book: "A. Quak, Runica Frisia, in: R.H. Bremmer. Aspects of Old
Friesian Philology, AbaeG 31-32, 1990. Page 357-370.
8. On a Bone Comb. "Eda".
9. Miniature sword made out of taxis wood, 6th or 7th century. "Edae :
boda" (Ed the postman).
10. Pieces of a walking stick made out of bone, 8th century. "tuda
awudukiusthu" (or maybe "awadukirithu". (Tuda).
11. Taxis stick, 6th century. "Thiniaeberetdud / [.]n : biridmi" (this
taxis always bares, .n bares me).
12. Pen made out of horse bone. "iligliu".
13. Solidus. "skanomodu" Friesian, or English.
14. Bag for a comb. "Murae".
15. Bone name tag, 6th or 7th century. "i : aehae : k" (I am Ahe).
16. Gold coin 6th, century. "hada".
17. Comb made out of deer antler, 7th century. "xnli" (Miedema).
18. Comb bag. "l, and upside down l" (laguR, water, sea).
19. Comb made out of deer antler, 8th, or 9th century. "aelb kabu deda
habuku". (Alb did the comb for Habuku).
20. Handle for a sword or knife, 8th, or 9th century. "ekumaeditoka". (I
the un-maimed grabbed the sword).
21. Solidus, 6th century. "weladu" (Weland).
22. Weave sword, taxis wood. "adugislu : meth gisuhidu" . (Adugisl goes
with Gisuhilde).
23. Taxis stick, maybe a prayer stick, 8th century. "ophaemu gistnda
aemluth / iwim ostaehthuaen / iwiosustduaele". (At Opheim takes a stand
Hamlet, with taxis sticks a favor you get, with this taxis do us a favor
always"
24. Piece of bone. "inguR ngR" (?Ing).
25. Gold hanger, 600 AD "hiwi".
There are more.for example, a joker wrote "FM" on an old piece of
bone."Fries Museum".
However, these are probably fake.
For more information I advise e-mailing the Fries Museum.
http://www.friesmuseum.nl/
Well, that's all I could find about old frisian. I hope thqat was of
some help.
http://www.geocities.com/velikovski_project/Runic.htm
this page is also stored on my web page. (Runic.htm)
Moi!
Wim [Verdoold]
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From: Veturlidi Oskarsson <veturlidi.oskarsson at nordiska.uu.se>
Subject: Old Frisian
Hello,
I am new on the list and don't know what you have been discussing, so I
might be asking something that already has been answered. I wanted to
ask if anybody could tell me about the sources to Old Frisian. In
dictionaries, the period of Old Frisian is usually 1270-1500. But are
there no older sources to the Frisian language than from the late 13th
century?
Greetings,
Veturlidi Oskarsson, University of Uppsala
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From: Pat Reynolds <pat at caerlas.demon.co.uk>
Subject: LL-L "Language survival" 2002.10.16 (06) [E]
>From: Marco Evenhuis <evenhuis at zeelandnet.nl>
>Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2002.10.16 (01) [E]
>
>Thomas writes about the 'Dutch patroon class'
>and Old Kinderhook. Maybe it's nice to know
>for people interested in Dutch language and
>culture in the eastern states of the USA that an
>archaic form of Dutch (Jersey Dutch, Albany
>Dutch, Mohawk Dutch or Schoharie Dutch;
>there might have been differences between these
>varieties) was still spoken there well into the
>19th century in northern New Jersey and upstate
>New York, including Kinderhook.
C.T. Gehring's _The Dutch Language in Colonial New York; An
Investigation of a Language in Decline_ (1976) might be of interest to
you.
I would like to know more about the different dialects of Dutch used in
the US, as I'd like to see if they can be related to different building
traditions.
Best wishes,
Pat
--
Pat Reynolds
pat at caerlas.demon.co.uk
"It might look a bit messy now, but just you come back in 500 years time"
(T. Pratchett)
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