LL-L "Etymology" 2002.10.25 (02) [E]

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From: Wim <wkv at home.nl>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2002.10.24 (04) [E]

About knoop en knop.   Knoopje, knopje.

Hi!

Knopje or knop, means button in Dutch as in  a button on machines.  Knoop
means button as on your jacket.  And "in de knoop" means tangled. Like when
a rope gets mixed up. There are many words that have to do with boats sails
and ropes too that went to Russia with Tzar Peter. After he left Zaandam.
Where he learned to build ships...  So that word might be Dutch..

Wim.   wkv at home.nl
[Wim Verdoold]

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From: Jorge Potter <jorgepot at caribe.net>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2002.10.24 (04) [E]

Dear Lowlanders:

Just a guess--

One of the oldest form of buttons is the button knot, still used some in
China and in patient hospital gowns.

Jorge Potter

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From: R. F. Hahn sassisch at yahoo.com
Subject: Etymology

Jorge,

> One of the oldest form of buttons is the button knot, still used some in
> China and in patient hospital gowns.

I think you are right.  First, people used pins (brooches) or laces to tie
together their clothes, and then they invented a knot that could be pushed
through a hole --the ancestor of the button.  Yes, it's still used in
traditonal Chinese clothing and also in some Western clothing at different
times of fashion.  Isn't that what is called a "frog"?

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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