LL-L "Language varieties" 2002.09.16 (04) [D/LS]

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From: Friedrich-Wilhelm Neumann <Friedrich-Wilhelm.Neumann at epost.de>
Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2002.09.16 (02) [LS]

> Jan Strunk <strunk at linguistics.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> schreev:
>
> Leiwe Leiglanners,
>
> > From: "Friedrich-Wilhelm Neumann" <Friedrich-Wilhelm.Neumann at epost.de>
> > Subject: "Language varieties"
> >
> > (English below)
> > Moin, Ron, Leeglanners,
> >
> > siit 'n poor Doog mook ick mi Gedanken üm dat Woord (LS) "teigen",
> "geigen",
> > (D) tegen", (G) "gegen", (E)"against".
> > In uns snacksch Munnoort bruukt wi jem beid: "teigen" un "geigen".
>
> Wiildat ek Plat ja blouts'n beetken uut böker un so leirt hev un et nich
> miine mouderspraoke is, was dat ouk ümmers heil schwaor för mi.
> Mi dücht dat dei twei formen in'n paor dialekten synonym bruukt werden of
> blouts ein fan eer bruukt werd. Aover ek hev ouk al lesen dat in't
> Westföölsche "tegen" nich blouts Düütsch "gegen" (against) bedüdt sünnern
> ouk of eigenlik Düütsch "neben(an)" (next to). Dei annern Leiglänners uut
> Westfaolen weet dat filicht beter.
>
> Kumpelmente!
>
> Jan Strunk

Moin, Jan,

joo- Door hesst Du recht mit: ick heff ööver 't sülbicht Themen mit uns
oostfrees'sch "Fachmann" Holger platt at HOLGER-WEIGELT.de proot.

Ick lööv, hei schall't mi woll ne öövel nehm'n, wenn ick em hier zeteern
dau:

>....1. düütsk "gegen" is bi: us - te:gen -
>(kan o:k amtmet düütsk "neben" bi:düüden of 'n pârt fan 'n anner wo:rd
>we:sen
>"te:gendes dat" = D "bis" , "zu dem Zeitpunkt, da...", "sobald";
>"te:genan" = D "nebenan", "neben", "entgegen"; te:genlo:pen = D
>"zuwiderlaufen", "schief gehen" un no 'n büelt annern.)....

Kommtoor ne nöödig!

Greutens

Fiete.

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From: burgdal32 at mac.com <burgdal32 at mac.com>
Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2002.09.13 (09) [E]

> From: "Friedrich-Wilhelm Neumann" <Friedrich-Wilhelm.Neumann at epost.de>
> Subject: "Language varieties"
>
> (English below)
> Moin, Ron, Leeglanners,
>
> siit 'n poor Doog mook ick mi Gedanken üm dat Woord (LS) "teigen",
"geigen",
> (D) tegen", (G) "gegen", (E)"against".
> In uns snacksch Munnoort bruukt wi jem beid: "teigen" un "geigen".
>
> Disse Oort von 't Verschuuwen von "g" to "t" (or annersrümm) begriep ick
> amend ne..
>
> Kann door einen helpen?
>
> English version (as I guess it to be *s*):
>
> Since a couple of days I'm making thoughts about the word (LS) "teeigen",
> "geigen", (D) "tegen", (G) "gegen", (E) "against".
> I found out, that in our special, regional LS dialect we're using both:
> "teigen" un "geigen".
>
> I don't understand this kind of shifting from "g" to "t" (or the other
way)
> at all.
>
> Anybody able to help?
>
> Best greutens
>
> Fiete.

Beste Fiete,
In het West-Vlaams gebruiken we ook twee woorden voor "tegen", namelijk
"teg'n" en "eg'n" (En de "g" wordt in het V als "h" uitgesproken.)
Voorbeelden:
-Eg'n (teg'n) damme tuus zijn = D: Voor we thuis zijn
-'k Wlle da'j teg'n toen  were tuus zijt. D= Ik wil dat je voor die tijd
weer thuis bent
-Ik kunn' tien boek'n lez'n teg'n gij vuve. D= Ik kan 10 boeken lezen in
dezelfde tijd dat jij er 5 kunt lezen.
-'k Komme teg'n de noene. D= Ik kom vlak voor de middag.

Groetjes uit Oekene
Luc Vanbrabant

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